104: Kalsey Kulyk

On Episode 104, I'm joined by Canadian singer-songwriter Kalsey Kulyk. Kulyk released her impressive seven-song Kalsey Kulyk last August. Kulyk pulls from '90s Country icons like Shania Twain as well as Americana staples such as Patty Griffin to form an informative and highly emotional blend of pop smart country songs. Kulyk's crystalline vocals are versatile and strong. Throughout her S/T, Kulyk delivers stark, slow-burning ballads ("Roll With It"), sunny, chorus-laden charmers ("Bad Liar"), and swaying daydreamers ("Low Times in High Heels").

This episode's presenting partner is The Blue Light Live and Wicker's Mesquite Smoked Jalapeno Jelly.

Interview Transcript

Note: Transcripts aren’t always accurate since they are computer automated and haven’t been edited for spelling, grammar, etc.

Thomas Mooney 0:00

Everyone, Welcome to New slang. I'm your host music journalist Thomas Mooney. This is Episode 104, where I am joined by Canadian singer songwriter Kelsey Kulyk, Kelsey put out a seven song self titled last August. And I found myself returning to a time and again, what I really liked about her songs is the pace of them. They're not all slow rollers. But that's really where I feel she's best, like the opener roll with it. You feel that tension in the room, it's right after a blow up between her and someone else. And she just really captures the mood. It's not even anger at this point either just kind of moved on from that mix of anger and hurt and has transitioned into something that's where she's a little bit more despondent than anything else. She's just kind of over the entire situation and you feel sinking into the back of her head, and kind of like as she's reading all the writing on the wall, she really has these nice pop sensibilities about her music. It's mixed with that late 90s kind of neon country glow, and she really bounces out those infectious pop your hooks, typically the more poppy a song, the more broad in general the subject is, but she really doesn't do that in her songs. A lot of the songs you can connect them to a specific moment or a feeling. Before we get right into the interview. I wanted to talk to you a second about podcasting and buzzsprout it feels like everyone has a podcast these days. It's been really great to see people use podcasting as a storytelling outlet and to find like minded people, you may have seen new slang take a really big jump this past year, and one of the main reasons has undoubtably been transitioning over to buzzsprout as my podcast host, they've really made all the quote unquote unfun things about podcasting so easy. For starters. That's why new slang is on every major podcasting platform now, and why it's been so uniform and organized online. I've always enjoyed speaking with songwriters and bands and artists, that's a given. But now buzzsprout has made it so much easier on the publishing side. So if you've ever been interested in launching your own podcast, I'd highly recommend buzzsprout which if you follow the link in the show notes, you'll be able to a sign up with buzzsprout b be given a $20 amazon gift card and see help support new slang. Again, that link will be in the show notes. If this is your first time listening to new slang, hit that subscribe button. New slang is on Spotify, iTunes, Google podcast stitcher and so on. Wherever you listen is more than fine by me. I really don't have a brand loyalty. But speaking of which, if you want to show off your new slang, brand loyalty, go ahead and hit the new slang merch store up. I'll throw a link into the show notes, grab a koozie, some stickers, some magnets and so on. Okay, that about does it with this intro. Here is Kelsey. Cool. Alright, so I guess like for a lot of my listeners and a lot of people that pay attention to what I do. They probably would recognize your voice based off of you being on a song with Dalton Domino. That's probably like their intro into you. And that's really like where I first heard you. Okay, how, how did you? I guess how did that get set up? How did you wind up being on that record in singing on that song with Don?

Kalsey Kulyk 3:31

Yeah, I know. It's really random, because I had only met Dalton once before. And it was at a songwriters round actually in Nashville, Tennessee. And he had played I was like, Man, this guy's so good. Hi, my name is Kelsey kulak. Nice to Me, too. You know, and it was pretty much like a high end biasing, just kind of like exchange, like, great job. And then a mutual friend of ours A few months later, reached out to me with Dalton on email and said, Hey, Dalton is looking for a female to sing on this song with him. And I think that, you know, you would be a really good fit. And so, you know, Dalton and I exchanged a few emails. And, you know, he asked me if I wanted to be on the song. And I was like, absolutely, I would love to. And so that's pretty much how it happened. It was you know, it was kind of like we didn't even like record because I was in Nashville, and he was in Texas. So he sent the track over to one of my friends and I laid the vocals down on it. And I love the song. I thought it was beautiful. And, and that's pretty much how it happened. So I was really grateful to be on that song. Because obviously Dalton is such a great artist. He's so talented. And I was really honored that he asked me to be on it.

Thomas Mooney 4:46

Yeah, I remember him sitting over, I guess some like rough demos of of that record. And I guess there's there's a version of it with just him. And then there's all the See the version with you. And I think like those two songs, just because in the files, it was right next to each other, but yours was second. And it just really made that song pop. And it just really where sometimes a song just needs another voice where it's coming from a different angle. You know, and I think that like that really made that song work a whole lot better.

Kalsey Kulyk 5:26

Oh, well, thank you so much. I appreciate that.

Thomas Mooney 5:29

Yeah, so like you You obviously just released a an EP last year, back in the fall. I guess it was kind of like more August or wasn't it?

Kalsey Kulyk 5:42

Yeah, it was the well, it was the end of August is August 31. Was my younger sister's birthday. So that was a good omen. But yeah, it was August. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 5:49

Yeah. Well, I remember like listening to that. And just like you could tell you're in my opinion, I'm probably projecting a little bit here. But you could tell that like, you probably like grew up like listening to a lot of like, 90s country and like singing along to people like Shania Twain and Faith Hill and like the Dixie Chicks or, or the chicks now,you know, like, so is that kind of like what you did? Is that how you grew up like singing along to a bunch of like, song country songwriters like that?

Kalsey Kulyk 6:24

Oh, yeah, totally. Like, I mean, my mom was a huge country music fan and we grew. I grew up in a small town in northern Saskatchewan, Canada, Hudson Bay. And, you know, we only had one radio station. I didn't even know that. The Dixie Chicks back then. That landslide was actually a cover because I did never heard of Fleetwood Mac before I actually thought it was their song. So that's like how much I was raised on country music that's kind of all I ever listened to was country music. And my grand parents actually raised me because we lived so close in the community and I was really close to my grandparents. And, you know, my grandpa taught me how to yodel when I was seven years old, and so I grew up on that kind of music, you know, Dolly Parton and Patsy Cline and, and, and stuff like that as well. But yeah, I definitely have a deep love and appreciation for artists like Leann Womack and Shania Twain and the ticks and, and a bunch of those artists. Yeah, I definitely did grow up listening to 90s country for sure.

Thomas Mooney 7:23

Yeah, I I know, like, this is probably like overgeneralizing it, but because like you're from Saskatchewan, and but obviously, Shania Twain is from Canada. And I always think that, like, you know, it's very important for, for artists to realize that, like other artists can, can make it out of places that are similar to their own. It's like a kind of a little bit of a boost in competence. And, you know, a little bit of a Yeah, like, I came from rural wherever this person came from rural wherever. And it just, like I said, a little bit of a boost in confidence, a little bit of like, people like us can do that. Was was shanaya. Like somebody like that for you growing up, or was it more just, she was just part of the, the the group in general?

Kalsey Kulyk 8:18

Oh, yeah. I mean, like, my mom has a video of me at six years old. Where I'm singing just acapella. Along with the stereo. And, you know, I was always singing like, you could never get me to stop saying like, even though I'm literally always got some sort of melody happening in my head that I always am singing out loud. But my mom, I was, you know, six, and she was like Kelsey, where you want to be when you grow up? And I was like, I want to be a singer. And she was like, Who do you want to be like, and I was like, I want to be Shania Twain. I want to be like Shania Twain. And so I mean, I remember watching there's a, I don't know, it was like a movie that came out on Shania Twain. It was a long time ago now. And probably, I'd say, like, 15 years ago, I was in high school, and I remember watching it and it kind of like, explained shanaya Twain's life and where she grew up and how she grew up. And, you know, she grew up very poor, obviously, in a small town in Ontario, and, and, you know, her mom used to drive her everywhere to everything in competition. And, you know, she was playing bars at nine years old and all that sort of stuff. And it was so funny to me, because I was like, Oh my gosh, that was my childhood. And that's, you know, that's how I grew up was my mom literally used to take me to any radio station. I was like, on TV at four and five years old, like it. I mean, it was just, you know, it was really funny how similar our, you know, the way that we were, I guess raised and like raised up doing country music was and so I mean, Shania Twain is definitely a huge inspiration for me because you know, she she came from nothing and And now she's you know, a su a world superstar.

Thomas Mooney 10:04

Yeah, one of the things I always find super important and essential to Shania Twain and like the Dixie Chicks is that even though like you did mention landslide being a cover, but a lot of those songs were written by them. And I think that is that's very important that they weren't just, they're just not for the most part. Just singing, they're not just interpreting songs, they're writing the songs and did what At what point did you realize that like, Oh, you know, all these songs that are that your twin singing, you know, she's, she's also like writing or co writing them.

Kalsey Kulyk 10:47

I mean, I knew that from a young age, because I sing, you know, a ton of Shania Twain songs, I listen to her all the time, I don't really know, when I, you know, found out that information, I think I was probably seven years old. And I mean, I was already like, when I was five, I started writing songs. And obviously, like, they would are never, they're not songs that I would ever sing out. But like, I mean, I started writing songs when I was five. And, I mean, I always loved, you know, being able to express my feelings through a song. And so, you know, when I hear, like, really any artist that, you know, is a is a is a writer or co writer on their songs, it just, I mean, I think it's so important like, because, you know, on my record that I released last year, every song I had writing on, and two of the songs were actually so low, right. And I mean, I've, I've always just loved expressing myself, through music, and singing, but, you know, especially on the writing side, because I always think that there's someone out there who has, you know, gone through something that, you know, somebody hasn't put quite put into words yet. And if you can touch that person, and, you know, pull that emotion that they're feeling out from them in a song that you've written, and you've been a part of, you know, people are always going to be able, you know, listeners always going to be able to believe you. Because, you know, if you're singing a song that you wrote that you had a part in, I think you're almost extra attached to it. So you almost have more, like, emotional, you know, you will, I guess you just have more emotion in when you're singing it, when you're talking about it. When you're playing it, you know, so I think it's really important that artists do have a part in all of the creative process when it comes to writing the song, singing the song and even, you know, input in the production.

Thomas Mooney 12:53

Right? Yeah, it's this is obviously never really happened to me, but like, is it? Is it strange like that first time someone comes up to you and says, oh, that song really reminds me of and then applies it to their life?

Kalsey Kulyk 13:09

Like, applies it to their life?

Thomas Mooney 13:11

Yeah, like, where they're like, oh, that song was super important to me. Because I felt that because and you said this and it, you know, like, that kind of thing? Yeah. What, uh, is that strange? Like, Does that ever get like, I'm assuming it doesn't get old?

Kalsey Kulyk 13:25

No, no, no, no, it never gets old. I mean, I am. So just, like, humbled and grateful every time someone comes up, and tells me how a song that I have a part of writing and singing, touch them, you know, like I have, I've had people drive, you know, like, seven hours, one way to come see me perform a show, just to hear one song that I had saying this. You know, like, for instance, there was this, there was this one man who he came, he drove seven hours one way to see, you know, my 30 minutes that I was opening up for this band up here in Canada. And it was just me and my guitar. And you know, he came up to me after the show, and he said, you know, that song that you saying, I was ready to commit suicide. And I was, you know, just looking, you know, I was gonna commit suicide the next day. And I was just on my phone, you know, searching music and your song popped up in my phone, which was my song more time. And if he said that, he thought about his daughter and he decided that he wasn't going to commit suicide and that I'd saved his life. Or that that song had saved his life and that was just like the most like, the biggest compliment. It was just so amazing. And I just like, like it's it actually gets me emotional thinking about it now because it's like, like music is so important. And if you can help somebody out in any way? That's the reason right there? why I do it?

Thomas Mooney 15:08

Yeah, you know, it's, it's strange is that. Like, it's really an interesting thing where you as a songwriter, you have so much ownership of that song, and you have so much attachment to it. But once you release it, like it becomes it like, it can become someone else's song. And it feels like, you know, there's a million songs that you've heard on the radio, or on a record that you go, that's my song, and you like you all of a sudden, even though you didn't ride it or anything like that. You feel like you have a little bit of ownership because it applied to a specific memory in your life or, like, you know what I mean? And that's tell it's really interesting to like, how art can do that. Mm hmm.

Kalsey Kulyk 15:54

Yeah, you know, if I'm still blown away every time, like an artist does that to me, you know, because I've been having like, those look like, you know, ever since I started listening to music, like Music has always, I've always used it for, like, you know, a form of self expression, in one way or the other. And, you know, one of like, I think one of the most intense songs like that has ever like, really, like made me feel something like, extraordinary was, Jason is Bill's song elephant. And it's about someone who has cancer and eventually dies from cancer. And I mean, I've had cancer when I was 17. And that song was just like, I remember hearing it for the first time, and I'll never forget it because it was just like, holy crap, this person has never gone through what I went through, but I feel like they have because, like, everything that they're saying in this song is exactly how I felt. And, you know, like, it's just, I mean, it's just amazing. It's just amazing that, you know, I mean, to be able to do it for other people, is, you know, just as amazing, you know, when somebody when another artists does it for you. It's incredible. But when you as the artist can do it for listeners, it is just, you know, you just feel so humbled.

Thomas Mooney 17:16

Yeah, that that Jason is full song is so heavy. I know. There's it's one of those songs were the first time you listen to it, you get it. But then like the 100th time you like, there's something where you're like, I guess like just the process of working that song. Yeah, you can just feel like there's other things that pop out and you feel like I guess like, I just I pulled up the lyrics that I needed to go to a certain lyric, there's like this one line in here. That like, just floors, me every time I hear it. And that's the, the line about where is it at? Like the line about like, nobody dies with dignity. Like that is like such a sad line. Because it's like, you have all these people that in your life. Especially especially like when your parents and your grandparents start getting up in age, where you your entire life, you've thought of them as like these very strong people. And if you've ever experienced someone passing away,

who's obviously really close to you, you feel them kind of like fading away. And it's very, very hard. And for whatever reason, like he's like Jason was able to just capture that and put it in like just even specifically that line. It just fills you just fill that so much more. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, man, that song is. I've seen Jason a few times play, but only one time. Did he play that song? And it was one of those. You could you could hear like the the proverbial pin drop in the room, you know, and it was just a it wasn't like a theater room. It was like a bar room kind of setting. Even and it was just so powerful.

Hello, you still there?

Kalsey Kulyk 19:40

Oh, yes. Right. Yeah. Okay. For a second.

Thomas Mooney 19:42

Okay. Yeah, I was just saying how just it was just like a, you know, a powerful moment. And it it's one of the things that I'll never forget is like just watching him play. You kind of feel like a little bit of a serenus because you're like, oh, I've listened to this song a million times. But now he's like playing it like somehow don't Forget this

Kalsey Kulyk 20:02

right? Oh, I could like I mean I could only imagine I'm Jason Isbell is one of those artists that I've wanted to see for forever I got to see him one time at the basement ease but he was singing with his wife. And so I mean only got to sing them see him thing with her right but I mean, it is like one of my bucket list goals is to like hear him play. You know, just pretty much I mean all of his songs but I would love to hear him play elephant one day because I mean it just those one of those songs that just made me like took me and, you know, the I could couldn't stop crying. It was just, it was such a good, emotional release to listen to that song.

Thomas Mooney 20:44

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Kalsey Kulyk 23:01

Well, you know, honestly, I think I always tell people this, I know, it's a bit strange. But I always say that, you know, having cancer was one of the best things that ever happened to me, because I think it made it made me more aware of everything in life. And it made me you know, so much more grateful, not that I was never a grateful person, because I always have been a grateful person. But it just makes me it just opens your eyes. And it takes you to this place that not many people get to go. And you experience so much, you know of your own fears, like you know, you're faced with your literal literal death, you know, you put like, the possibility of it right. And then you are surrounded by other people that are also facing that reality. And, I mean, I've made it's, it made me a better artist. It made me more passionate. It made me more you know, empathetic, and I've always been super empathetic, like as I mean, probably too empathetic now. But it's, I think it just made me a better maybe an all around better person and a better artist, because I think I take things I mean, when I go to create a song. I really like think about the people that I met. And, you know, I always try to sing for them. You know, there's a lot of people that I met that, you know, passed away and they didn't get to like young people and older people and middle aged people. Like, you know, it was just one of those experiences that you know, it put my music on hold for a while, but it was for the best. It was the best thing that happened for my music because it just made me appreciate it so much more. And it made me do it. Do music for something more than myself.

Thomas Mooney 24:58

Yeah. You I think like, it has to be one of those things where, you know, as part of like the maturation process, I don't think like, people usually start feeling empathetic until usually, like, after they've, like after high after you're teenagers, you feel like you're so self absorbed, because like you're told, like forever, that like, you can conquer the real world. And so it's not until after you probably have kids, a lot of times where people start really becoming empathetic and start thinking about others, but it feels like, when, for something like that to happen to you at such a young age, like you have to, didn't feel like you grew up quicker, in that, Oh, 100%.

Kalsey Kulyk 25:47

Because, yeah, 100% like, I never, you know, it's crazy. Because, like, so I was at the end of high school. So like, you know, my last year, my senior year, and I was 17. So it was May I was diagnosed, and then I turned 18. And I was still going through chemo for a while after that. But I just, you know, as you know, so interesting, because I felt like I just, you know, I always felt like I didn't fit in, but like, after going through that experience, I was like, man, I really don't fit fit in with people my age. Because I feel like I mean, you know, growing up is a part of life. And, you know, I feel like I was just put on a really fast track to growing up and like, but I'm super grateful for it. Because, you know, the things that, you know, most people think matter. You know, even when you're in your 30s, and 40s, and all that sort of stuff when, you know, you see what actually matters, you know, and what's important. And so I think it you know, it made me It definitely made me grow up really, really quickly. But that was good, because, I mean, I think that, you know, you need some sort of tough experience in one way or the other. Like, there's not an artist, pretty much non artists out there like that, you know, that are my really good friends and stuff. Like, you know, they've all gone through something hard, and experienced something that has made them grow up quickly. And I think that that's especially songwriters anyways, I mean, that's why we do what we do is because you know, you know, we've kind of lived it. And so we want to be able to share our experiences with other people, because somebody out there has definitely lived what we've lived, you know,

Thomas Mooney 27:31

right? It feels like you could, it's, I'm sure, like, obviously, you've you've come out of this, where you're like, a lot more passionate about life, about likely the important things, it feels like you could easily be where you can become so jaded about life, though to wait, why is this happening to me? Did did any of that happen?

Kalsey Kulyk 27:57

No. I mean, I've never ever thought like that. I definitely met people that did think like that. And I think that because, I mean, everybody has their own process and the way that they deal with things. And so I'm not going to judge anybody's process. Because it's like, it's not like going through cancer as a walk in the park. You know what I mean? Like, I would read it on my worst enemy. But, um, I think that I looked at people, because like, when you're going through chemo, you're in a room, if you're not living in the hospital, you're in a room with a bunch of other people getting cancer, or sorry, getting chemo. And so you know, you've talked to the people beside you, because you have nothing else to do. And, you know, you hear other people the way that they look at life and, you know, the nurses would grab me out of my bed, and because, like, I I've always been very positive. And the nurses they'd be like, grab me out of my bed and they'd be like, this person really needs they really need your, you know, your inspiration and your positivity right now can you come and talk to them? And you know, when I'd have these conversations with these people that were really down I always just thought it was such a waste of an opportunity to, you know, to feel bad for yourself because you know, it I don't know if, like I loved going around and being positive person to everybody because, you know, I felt like I was focusing on someone else other than my problems, right? My fears and my struggles. And it just made me become a better person. There was a lot of people that were super inspiring incredible people in the hospital as well but you would find the odd person that was a little bit negative and and you know, feeling sorry for themselves and stuff. And I mean, I always tried my best to make them see or to try and make them see you know, their situation in a different light. But yeah, there definitely was people that, you know, there's a lot of people that looked at it as a positive, or like, you know, a learning lesson or something like that. But there was definitely people that looked at it as a very bad thing. And, you know, yeah, which it is. It's not I mean, they're not lying.

Thomas Mooney 30:19

Yeah, that's what I was gonna

Kalsey Kulyk 30:19

say, it's, you know, it is a shows of your character of like, you know, the worst things that you go through, and how you respond to them, you know?

Thomas Mooney 30:29

Yeah. Because I, you know, it is it's such a, it's one of those things where they're technically they're not wrong, you know, it's, I don't know how, how to how I would be able to, like, I hope I never have to try and come to terms with any of that kind of thing. But, you know, it's a little bit of the way I probably think about with, with mental health, is that like, there's other thing, like, just because something doesn't work for me, doesn't mean it can't work for someone else. Right. And that's, I don't know, like, that's the only way I can really apply like, or rather rationalize it in a way or, like, apply it to what I am thinking about, you know, but I don't know, it's a it's just so it must be just one of like, obviously, the hardest thing you've gone through. But like, obviously, you've also gotten so much out of it, too, you know, so, um, well, I mean,

Kalsey Kulyk 31:36

honestly, I wouldn't even say that it was the hardest thing that I went through, because, I don't know, I just, it really wasn't the hardest thing I've like, you know, I've gone through, like, heartbreak. And I find like heartbreak is, is almost the worst thing that's happening. Because, like, you know, well, I mean, like cancer, obviously. I mean, it's, it's only you know, what, you just said something about mental health? And because I mean, you know, I mean, obviously, cancer had some effect on my mental health, and in the sense that, you know, I mean, I was bald, and, you know, when you're 17 year old girl, and you're bald, and you don't feel pretty, and all that sort of stuff, that's like a hard thing to go through. But I think that, like, the way that I looked at going through cancer was like, Okay, well, I'm, this is just a test, this is something that's going to make me stronger, and better. And so I'm going to, you know, take it like, this is something that, you know, I have, like, you know, I may not be able to control what's going on within my body, but I'm, you know, I'm, I can control my mind, and I'm going to only look at the positive because, I mean, I can control that, you know, and I think that with, like, you know, say something like heartbreak or mental health. I mean, that's something that a lot of times, I mean, you know, heartbreak is always involved in another person, and you can't control really like, if you can control how you feel, but also you can't at the same time, and then with mental health, you really can't control how you feel, you know, because it's, you know, it's all to do with, you know, that, you know, it's it's, I don't know, I mean,

Thomas Mooney 33:14

yeah,

Kalsey Kulyk 33:14

don't get me wrong, cancer is really, really hard. And it's, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. It's, I don't know, every mental health, everything has its own, you know, hardships in it. So I guess that's where I'm gonna leave it at that. Because for me that I just kind of like, looked at it as if, I mean, I'm going to just look at the positives, and I'm going to try and be the most positive that I can because I can control that. And it just made the experience, I think, a lot more easier because I was looking at it that way. And I went and it was easy, easier for the people around me.

Thomas Mooney 33:50

Did you did you continue writing during all of this?

Kalsey Kulyk 33:53

Oh, yeah. I mean, I wrote all the time. I think that was like, the reason why I stayed sane was because I was writing, you know, because there's a lot of like, I mean, I never really ever felt bad for myself, but I always felt bad for the people around me. Like, I just felt so sad for them, like people that were, you know, given three months to live and people that you know, for, like, you know, their cancer came back, and they passed away a few months later, and then always felt bad for their family and stuff. So, I think that, you know, I was just, yeah, sorry, what was your question?

Thomas Mooney 34:34

I just said, you know, did you continue writing during all this? Oh,

Kalsey Kulyk 34:37

yeah. Right. Yeah, no, so I did I mean, I think that all these other people's experiences, I mean, in my own experience, I wrote through the emotions that I was feeling which probably saved me, like just saved my mental state.

Thomas Mooney 34:53

You mentioned heartbreak, and obviously a lot of the songs on this EP. They do With heartbreak is that a? Is that an emotion and an emotion? Difficult to travel back to? When you're writing obviously you probably not writing it as something as it's happening.

Kalsey Kulyk 35:20

I don't know heartbreak is is kind of like always been something that's been really easy for me to write about or write about. I don't know if it's because of, you know, seen a lot of heartbreak in my life. But not for me, but just people around me that I've known. Yeah, heartbreak is, I mean, I've definitely gone through times where like, I've been going through heartbreak and I've been just literally writing songs like every day, like wake up and go to sleep writing songs. But it's not No, it's definitely something it's an easy it's an easy emotion for me to get to.

Thomas Mooney 35:59

Yeah, that first song. roll with it. You really set the I feel like you said like the table with that line about Mr. Brightside playing. Was that is that based off of like, something that really happened?

Kalsey Kulyk 36:16

Yeah, you know, um, that song was, that was one of my solo write songs. I wrote that song by myself. And like, 20 minutes. I just got into a fight with my then partner. And I was just I went, I was so mad. And I went into the bedroom with my guitar. And I just, I, it was just, I'm, like, I just knew that I was gonna write a song. And that's happened with me a bunch, where it's just kind of like, you know, they say that you like, connect to something higher than yourself, and you just let the words flow onto the paper. And it was just, I mean, I didn't even really to be honest with you. Like, when I was writing the song, I was like, I don't even know what this means, you know, at when, at the time that I was writing with it. I just know what it feels like, you know. And, and, yeah, that song. That song is really important, because I think it was, you know, those times that time I was being super honest with myself, and I didn't even know it then. You know?

Thomas Mooney 37:21

Yeah, like what it felt like to me listening to that song is like, in the you see a couple fighting, maybe not like yelling at each other but like it there's been something there. And it feels like we're we just like get transported to the the silence between the two. And like you're listening to just what you're thinking in your in the back of your head. And I don't know like it just it feels like very much like where you're kind of like it just captured that that you know, just the tension in the room I guess. I don't know I always like that the the line about Mr. Brightside? Because like, I think everyone that's a touchstone for a lot of people to just thank you the popular

Kalsey Kulyk 38:10

Yeah, no, I that's everybody says that to everybody says they just love that line. And I mean, I love that song that like I mean, you know, the killer song, Mr. Brightside? I mean, that's, you know, I've listened to that song ever since I was a teenager. And yeah, I mean, no, it's definitely it is what roll was it's one of my favorite songs that I've ever written. Just because I think it was, I don't know, it was like a realization that took me a long time to realize, but yeah, it's one of my favorite songs. So I'm glad you like it.

Thomas Mooney 38:47

Yeah. So, you know, you're talking about pen to paper. Do you do typically write pen to paper? Or are you more of a MacBook or something? Or

Kalsey Kulyk 38:58

no, I have, I literally bought a MacBook for songwriting. Okay. And I never used it. Never, not for one song. Except for now because of COVID. And so like, you're zooming and you know, you have like your computer. And it's kind of just like, up and easy to do it that way. But no, I mean, I've got my mom, my poor mom. She has tons and tons and tons of books that I mean, I've been songwriting since I was, I mean, I write actually on pen and paper when I was five, but like, when I actually started my first like, songwriting, I was like, 13. And so, I mean, you know, my mom has tons and tons of books filled with songs that I probably couldn't even, you know, remember because, I mean, it's just I've always been writing on like pen to paper, there's something that's like a little bit more natural about it. And it kind of like makes you focus more and, and it's I don't know, it's I definitely like writing pen to paper so much better.

Thomas Mooney 39:57

Yeah. I'm like I feel like with anything physical, like it's a little bit more intentional. And so right now like for me, like I almost write anything, right on my Mac. So it's if but if I'm having trouble, I'll go and like jot, I'll start writing something somewhere else. And hopefully that'll like break the, the quote unquote writer's block or something or get me on to whatever I am trying to figure out for an article. But I think there's something just like that. When it's, you're writing and you're touching a pin, and it's like, you feel that you feel like it hitting the paper, obviously, and I don't know, it just it, I think you have to be a lot more intentional, and more in the moment. Totally.

What do you typically like? What is it usually that first kicks a song golf for you, like that makes it where you're like, you have that? You know, the lightning? bolt hits you? And you're like, Oh, this is something I want to try and make into a song. What does it typically? What's that process typically? Like? Is it usually you start with an idea lyrics? melody, what are you typically kind of looking for?

Kalsey Kulyk 41:17

Typically, it's a feeling it's just this I know, it's, it's kind of hard to describe, like, for my process, it's a feeling. It's always been a feeling any any of my favorite songs and the songs that I've like, really loved. It's always been, you know, a feeling and, you know, either I write start writing a lyric, or I start humming a melody or start, you know, playing on the guitar, and then everything else flows, it really just depends. But it's the first thing that starts is a feeling, and then it just kind of runs from there. Like, I mean, there's a few songs that, you know, I was in the shower, and I just started singing a melody with some lyrics. And I literally hopped out made shower and wrote the song in like, 30 minutes. You know, sometimes it's an idea. Sometimes it's something that somebody says, But mostly, it's a feeling.

Thomas Mooney 42:15

Yeah, I think the the shower moments, the shower thoughts thing is like, obviously, when I'm just applying it to me, when I might taking a shower or brushing my teeth, or washing dishes, is like, whatever, I usually get, like, some kind of good idea for something. And I think a lot of songwriters, it's like, it's a great where you just go on autopilot. Because like you've done it a million times. So they are able to just think about other things. What is like your, usually like how, when you write something, do you How often do you go back to it and start editing it editing it? Or is it usually what what's that usually, like?

Kalsey Kulyk 43:00

Not often, I don't think I've done that too many times. To be honest with you. I typically, if I'm writing something by myself, it's usually not often. I mean, I don't I don't even know if I've done that by myself maybe once or twice. But sometimes with other co writers, we'll come back to a song if somebody else isn't feeling it. But like, there's a lot of times like if I'm just like, sometimes a song is just supposed to be written the way that it is. I don't edit often I know that like, you know, I've watched a ton of documentaries on songwriters. And like Jackson Browne was like infamous for like editing and all that and Sam hunt like, you know, it takes like, six rights to write a song. But like, I mean, I typically don't do that. I like to take my time. I mean, if it's not coming out, I'll come back to it. I bet I'm never going to finish a song that I don't think is right. There'll be times where I get half of the song and then I come back to it later to finish it. But yeah, I don't typically go back to edit.

Thomas Mooney 43:59

Yeah, yeah, it seems like you. I don't know. Like, a lot of times, I think that this probably applies a lot to whenever you actually cut the song to is I feel like an artist sometimes overly nitpick something where you kind of have lost whatever that was that initially sparked the song. And, like, it's always good to like, go back and like make sure it all makes sense and stuff like that. But sometimes, like songs are just, you know, they're Polaroids. Yeah, so,

Kalsey Kulyk 44:34

totally.

Thomas Mooney 44:35

So like, what is like, do you try and keep like a schedule of like, I try and write once a day kind of thing, or is it more a lot more spontaneous than that? Typically, it's

Kalsey Kulyk 44:47

a lot more spontaneous. I mean, like what you know, because, you know, lived in Nashville and then you know, it got really monotonous to write every day, sometimes twice a day like that gets like a little bit tiring and almost like crazy. Really drawing, like the well, the well runs dry, when you're writing so often but, um, but, I mean, I think I, the way that I like to write is just on my own time and whenever I have, like an idea or a feeling, you know. So I think that's, you know, I don't really like to, I'm not a scheduled person, I've never been scheduled for some like, oh, two in the morning, I've got an idea. Great, let's write it. I'm not like, Okay, I'm gonna sit down at this time, or I'm not gonna, you know, today, maybe out today, maybe I won't do it. You know, I'm never the type of person that's going to try and force creative creativity, because I find that, you know, I've done that before. And it's just never worked out the way that I've wanted it to.

Thomas Mooney 45:47

Yeah, it feels like when you, especially if you're trying to do like, that two rides a day or something or like, you, you have your scheduled out and you have, you know, five rights for a week or whatever the case is, it feels like that could be very intimidating in a way because like, you're like, oh, man, I have to constantly be looking for song ideas. Is that kind of did you even feel? Do you feel that whenever it was like that?

Kalsey Kulyk 46:20

Well, whenever it was, like what,

Thomas Mooney 46:22

like whenever you said like you when you've written in Nashville, whenever you're, you have like that scheduled out like, Oh, I need to write I'm gonna be riding with somebody here riding with someone here running with someone here. That kind of thing. Do you? Is it is it intimidating as far as like, thinking like, oh, man, the pressure is on that I need to have all these ideas. And just like, can never really turn it off.

Kalsey Kulyk 46:46

I've definitely felt that way before for sure. It's sometimes almost when you're like, and then too and you're nervous. Like the, I don't know, the creativity. It just I feel like it's like, oh, just kidding. I'm not creative anymore. Like you could have had a really good day if you didn't psych yourself out, you know, and put the pressure on yourself. Because once you put the pressure on yourself, it doesn't even it doesn't become what you loved in the first place. So I definitely have had that feeling where, you know, I've been I've stressed myself out where it's been like, oh, what did I do that like that could have been? You know, so much better if I hadn't have worked myself up over it. You know,

Thomas Mooney 47:24

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Kalsey Kulyk 48:39

Well, I was. I mean, and I've been co writing for a really long time. I don't think I think because like the first co writer was in Canada, it was kind of casual. It was with, like a guitar teacher. And it was very just, I was very relaxed because you kind of let me lead and it was. Yeah, no, it wasn't. You know, it wasn't scary at all. I think maybe my first call right Nashville, though, that was a little bit intimidating. Because I was writing with songwriters that are written for our George Strait now in Jackson and Faith Hill. And so that was really intimidating. I was like, Man, what am I doing here in this room with these people? But my first co right. I think it was pretty easy actually because I had been writing by myself and so I had like a little bit of confidence. And it because it was such an easy atmosphere. I think that's why I wasn't intimidated with it.

Thomas Mooney 49:34

Yeah, I'm sure like you. You knew that person. More so yeah, just like walking into the room. Yeah, I did. What is like what is it? Like? I guess like, I'm kind of infatuated with the CO writing, I guess environment, the the ecosystem of CO writing in Nashville, because it seems that there's like a million ways to Do it. And then also like, there's all these ideas that we have as like what's happening in these co writing sessions. It you mentioned like, he kind of let you lead that first time. Is that typically like what how is that usually whenever you're running with you?

Kalsey Kulyk 50:20

Well, it really just depends. I mean, there's some people that are bossy or in a right compared to others, like, I mean, with some people, I find that like, I'm more bossy, and then other times in other rights, I find like, these other people are, you know, I've been in REITs, where I've been bossy in other rooms where other people have been bossy. And you know, it's kind of worked out both ways. Really.

Thomas Mooney 50:40

Does it take does it typically take someone taking, like the reins and kind of leading for,

Kalsey Kulyk 50:48

there's always gonna be somebody who's taking the reins and leading. I mean, like, you know, there's some times that people just work really well together to where there's like, kind of like, everybody's kind of like, adding in to the right. You know, but if nobody's doing that, then somebody has to do it. Otherwise, then the song just won't get written. And then there's sometimes people that just like steamrolled, right, and then it doesn't come out the way that you want it. So that's not good, either. I think the most important thing in a co write is, you know, if you vibe well with the other person, like you got to get along with them, you kind of got to get to know each other, like, you know, talk it out. And, I mean, like, there's been different co writes where I've, like, sat and cried with somebody that I've just met. Like, and like, we wrote a beautiful song. Like, there's been times where that's happened, and times where, like, you know, there's literally been times where, like, you know, there's a song that I wrote with Kylie faculty and Oren Thornton. And, and we all cried, like, you know, it was just, we, you know, you can get like, it's sometimes like, being in a writers room with people. You know, it's just the most inspirational, honest, raw, um, just amazing thing, because, you know, you connect with somebody like soul to soul and heart to heart, and you just really, like, kind of just almost see them, like, as they are. And it's just, you know, songwriting can just be, it was like, once you get into that room and have that sweet spot with a writer, like, you know, there's no going back. And, you know, it's just kind of like a life, a lifelong. I don't know how to say it, like a lifelong friend, almost, you know, you kind of you've connected over something, and you've bonded over something, and you know, that something that'll never be taken away.

Thomas Mooney 52:52

Yeah. Well, from an outside perspective, what it feels like, when something like that happens is that you are, like, you've fast tracked a friendship, and where you've, like, cut through all of the, I don't know, like the gentle exchanges of like, Hey, how are you doing? Oh, my days, good. You know, you've, you've cut through all like, the minutiae, and gotten like, both to something that you guys are like, Hey, I went through this, and you went through something very similar. And that's like, whatever it is, like you. Like, it's like, a friendship. That is been like, where you didn't have to get to know each other so quickly. You guys went like straight to something that you guys bonded over?

Kalsey Kulyk 53:38

Totally. Yeah, it's definitely I mean, you know, the best days are the days that you connect, and you make a friend, and, you know, you get to the real stuff. You know, I mean, I've always been that type of person that always loves to have a real one on one conversation with somebody, I'm not the type of person that likes to party. And, you know, go out and talk with people about face value things. It's just never been something that I enjoy. I mean, there's always a time and a place for it, I guess. But that's just not something that I typically enjoy to do. I love to get to the get to the goods really quickly. So I mean, that's one of I think that's one of the things that I really enjoy about songwriting is that you can connect with people on a deeper level than you normally would have. So I definitely think that, I mean, I've made so many friends in Writer rooms that like, you know, will always be my friend.

Thomas Mooney 54:31

Yeah, I think there's this thing that I've like kind of just called, like musician talk. Where me as a, as a journalist, talking to a musician. I'm usually like by like the third or fourth time, we don't have to do all the small chitchat stuff and like working our ease our way into an interview. Usually, like that's the case like it's three or four interviews where We're able to just like, don't even have to do the small talk of it. And like, you're just able to get right into it. But musicians, a lot of the times I've noticed, especially songwriters, they can they just cut through all that, and they just go straight to like talking about whatever. And it just, it seems a lot more like, like, there's this unwritten code of like, we don't have to do all the all that other stuff, we can just start working.

Kalsey Kulyk 55:30

Oh, yeah, totally. I mean, like, that's exactly what it's like. I mean, I've not typically, I mean, the people that I've stayed close with are the people that I've like, you know, we've had real conversations immediately, pretty much, you know, and, you know, that's, that's one of my favorite things about being able to do music is that, you know, you get to connect with people on on a deeper level, and, you know, you see them and they see you and, and there's, you know, no judgement, it's just kind of, you know, it's, you know, you're connecting, and you're, you know, writing, you're doing something you're creating for, for, you know, a bigger purpose.

Thomas Mooney 56:14

Right. You mentioned a little bit earlier about how, obviously, the the pandemic and has, has just changed the way people are writing songs right now that it's a lot more zoom, FaceTime, kind of CO writes the social distancing. What How is that changed? Like your artistic process? And like, has it as it made it harder to write?

Kalsey Kulyk 56:44

Yeah, you know, I've definitely written some good songs, over zoom, which I'm actually surprised about, because I wasn't really excited to get into, like the writing process, over zoom, because I feel like it takes away something special. And I'm not gonna lie, it definitely does take away something special. You know, it's, uh, I prefer to write in person, you know, but I'm definitely grateful that we're able to write over zoom, and we're able to still connect with our friends and still try and create something really great. But yeah, it's, it's definitely, it's definitely not the same.

Thomas Mooney 57:28

Yeah, like, just, you know, as for this podcast, I used to do it all in person, because there is that extra thing where you can just like, read someone a whole lot easier. And now, obviously, I've adapted and we're doing this via phone call. And it's working out fine. But like, it's also like, you can when you when you do like, I don't know, 20 of these like this, all of a sudden, than you realize, just like all the little points where it can easily just like screw up with like, just on like a technical technology level. And I'm assuming that's the same way it was with a zoom. co right of like, even if you know that person really, really well, and you guys are onto something, there's all those little points where technology can just screw everything up.

Kalsey Kulyk 58:24

Oh, my goodness, it's crazy. It's just like, there's been there's been times where I literally was just sitting on the other side of zoom, trying to literally make out a word, a melody, anything. And it's just been here because everybody's working from home. So the Wi Fi slower and it's just, it, there's definitely been times where it's been, like, so defeating and it's like, Man, you know, there's just, you know, we could do so much more if we're doing this in person. But yeah, it's okay. It's, you know, it is what it is, and you just kind of got to take the good with the bad and, you know, hopefully sooner than later we'll be able to get into writing rooms again.

Thomas Mooney 59:07

Yeah, um, obviously, you've been also releasing a few singles as of late. Is this are these like part of a forthcoming record?

Kalsey Kulyk 59:20

With what

Thomas Mooney 59:21

oh, I've seen like you you've released a few different singles as far as like fighter and bad guy and

Kalsey Kulyk 59:27

songs like oh, yeah, so those I mean, it's so bad guy and dreams and look at her now like those were songs kind of just like for something to have out there in between the next single that we're releasing. So like a fighter is actually something that I didn't write that whole song I wrote it with, like kind of a group of people, which is like under this. This organization called focused and they, they have like people that do a subscription monthly subscription to write songs with songwriters and artists. And so, you know, the fighter, I actually, I didn't release that song, it was hookahs that released it. With me seeing on it, I wrote it with these people that are a part of focused. And so that actually wasn't really in the planet all on like my side and the label side or anything like that, I actually didn't really know that they were going to release it until much later on after we wrote it. Like, maybe a couple months ago, but we're actually coming out with a new single in think it's gonna be out in August, we just got into the studio finished vocals, and it's getting mixed this week. So I'm gonna be releasing my first single in a while since roll with it anyways. So I'm really excited about that. It's, I mean, it you know, as an artist, you it's like, you know, when you release a song, it's like, okay, when can we release the next one. So I've kind of been like, really anxious to get the song out. It's pretty cool. Because it's it's like a sort of like a rebirth. This song. It was, I wrote wrote it with Jeff trot, who wrote all the Sheryl Crow, not all of them, but a lot of the Sheryl Crow hits, and he produced her stuff, and he's actually producing this record that's coming out with a song. And it was just one of those songs. It just kind of fell out. And it's super honest. And it's, it's, I'm really excited about it. I can't wait to release it, actually.

Thomas Mooney 1:01:38

Yeah, you know, like Sheryl Crow is one of those artists who, like I, I didn't realize how good she was and how like important she was, until like, much later in life. Like, I felt like it was one of the like, she was somebody that, like, my mother listened to a whole lot more than I was listening to. And then later, you know, I was going back through her catalogue, and I'm like, just like, Oh my gosh, like, all of the songs are just incredible.

Kalsey Kulyk 1:02:09

Like, she's just a, she's a rock star.

Thomas Mooney 1:02:13

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, you know, I had one last thing here. I was gonna ask you about, because Yeah, I saw it in your bio. And I was like, Oh, my God, she, she knows the good stuff here. And that is like the, you have like this memory about the Kevin Sharpe song nobody knows. And how incredible that song is. I absolutely love that record that he put out with nobody knows on it. And you were talking, I guess, like, in your little in the bio part. He talked about how you could empathize with that song, and whether you're your parents getting divorced, but like, obviously, you were so young, and it's such a rarity, I guess, like, were you able to feel somebody else's? what they're going through while obviously you're not. Right, in their, in their shoes, or?

Kalsey Kulyk 1:03:08

Right,

Thomas Mooney 1:03:09

you know.

Kalsey Kulyk 1:03:12

I mean, it was just that song on that I will never forget that moment. It's one of those like, moments that I mean, it will kind of like first showed me what music can do for other people. As well as how important it is to, to, to write those songs for other people. Because there's, you know, there's so many people that use music as a way of a form of expression. And they don't even realize it, like honestly think that like, you know, my dad listening to that song. I don't even know if he knew, like, like, I I don't even know if he knew what, like he knew the song. And he was saying, you know, he would at least try and sing along with it. But I'll never I'll never forget him like we were driving in his truck. And, and I remember him turning that song. And he used to play it on repeat. And I remember thinking I was only seven years old at the time, but I remember thinking, you know, this is what music can do for people. And I could feel like I knew that my dad was really sad. And I just remember feeling so sad because I knew that he was so sad. I felt his I've just like felt so much empathy for him in that moment at seven. And it was kind of like, you know, I want to be able to help people like this one day.

Thomas Mooney 1:04:32

Yeah, that uh, it's just like it. You know, What's strange about that too, like you saying something new about that was obviously, this like that moment was it was like, you know, a monumental moment for you. This is something that you'll never forget. But like you you're saying like maybe he doesn't necessarily realize like it was such a monumental moment for you until much later in Right. Have you guys talked about that? Or no?

Kalsey Kulyk 1:05:04

Not really. Yeah. Dad is like, the dad is like a really tough guy. He's not like one of those people that cries. And so, you know, I don't I think that's just something that like, you know, he knows that, like, I know, but we don't talk about it cuz it's like, you know, he's just, you know, I don't think that he, like, realize that I understood what was going on back then. You know, and I think he might be like, you know, if we did talk about it, he might be like, a little, you know, I don't know, he just my dad's pretty shy about stuff like that. So I don't think that we've never talked about it anyway. I don't think that we ever

Thomas Mooney 1:05:44

Yeah, what? No, I didn't mean it necessarily in a like, Did you like the I guess? Like, I don't know, processing that kind of, did you know that it was like you processing heartbreak and stuff like that. I was more like, I always find it strange, where when you remember something as a kid, that was super important. And then you tell that to your parents? And they're like, what, what are you talking about? And like, you have to really remind them of what it was, but for whatever reason, it stuck with you. Like, I don't know.

Kalsey Kulyk 1:06:16

Yeah, I don't know. I actually haven't even asked my dad, if he remembers playing us on. I mean, I'm sure he did, because I swear he wore out that song on that record. Like, he listened to it all the time. And it's like, like, my dad played that song so much that it was always stuck in my head. So whenever, like, you know, my parents would switch. Like, my dad would bring me back to my mom, sister and I back to our mom. I'd like you know, be in the house. And I'd be singing that song. You know, cuz always saying, and she's like, he's your dad listening to that song. And, you know, like, my mom knew it was a thing. Right? And, like, you know, I think she like I think my mom was kind of like, you know, like, he had obviously my mom. Like, they were both sad, obviously. But I think my mom was kind of like, you shouldn't be playing this song so much in front of the girls. They're a lot smarter than what you you know what you're realizing. Right? Cuz like, I was always such an emotionally smart kid. I knew what I've always was empathetic and knew what people were feeling. It was just kind of like something that was like my burden to bear. And so I know that my mom definitely remembers that. I don't know I have. I'll have to ask my dad just maybe casually one time just to see, but I'm sure he definitely remembers playing it.

Thomas Mooney 1:07:28

Yeah, maybe this is how you can get into it is like, Hey, Dad, have you ever read my bio before? Like, because

Kalsey Kulyk 1:07:38

I know everything there is to know about?

Thomas Mooney 1:07:42

Yeah. I don't know. Like, I, I, I jotted that down because like that song is such like, I feel like it's so criminally underrated for 90. And but it's one of those things where like, if you, if you if I asked somebody, if they knew that song, they would probably say no, but once you start playing it, they're like, oh my god. Yes. I know. Exactly. You know, so. Yeah, I don't know. Such a great song.

Kalsey Kulyk 1:08:09

Yeah, and he had cancer too.

Thomas Mooney 1:08:11

Mm hmm. Yeah, I was gonna say it.

Yeah, it's, uh, I would I would encourage everyone to go check out that record that that song, I can't think of what the records called. But there's like, three or four other pretty big hits off that record. And it's, they're all great. So yeah. Yeah, it's been really great talking with you this afternoon. All right. Thanks for listening to new slang. Be sure to hit that subscribe button. Check out the new slang merge store. Check out episode sponsors the blue light live and wickers jalapeno jelly. We're done with this week. So I'll see y'all next week for another two episodes.

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