031: John Baumann
On Episode 31, we catch up with Texas singer-songwriter John Baumann. He recently announced that his next album, an 11-song full-length, will be released this Spring. Last Saturday, we sat out on the back patio of The Blue Light to talk about what’s in store for Baumann this coming year.
Interview Transcript
Note: Transcripts aren’t always accurate since they are computer automated and haven’t been edited for spelling, grammar, etc.
Thomas Mooney 0:05
Everyone, welcome to episode number 31 of the new slang podcast. I'm Thomas Mooney, the editor of new slang here in Lubbock. And Episode Number 31 is with john Bauman, our first three time guest on the podcast. Yeah, there's gonna be three episodes this week of the podcast. If you haven't gone and listened to the one with my car Meyer, have Mike in the moon pies that came out on Tuesday. So just go on your iTunes and I guess hit back or something like that, to find it. And then on Saturday, we will release one with Dalton Domino. A lot of times people ask me what podcasts I'm listening to what am I subscribed to? And really, I think like, the main reason is because they're probably not as familiar with the the podcast format, as they would hope to be. And so um, you know, I really don't listen to too many music podcasts. I'm really like listening to a whole lot of like sports stuff. Like Bill Simmons, and a lot of like, True Crime stuff. Actually, there's a lot of great ones out there. Everything from cereal to in the dark to True Crime garage. But long story short, I'm gonna go in and put out like a list of other podcasts that are music based. I think like the the music podcast I'm most excited about right now is this one called battery podcast. And, you know, I hadn't really listened to any of the episodes, but it's subscribed. It's pretty early on, there's probably about seven episodes. And like over this past weekend, I went ahead and just listen to them all. And it's probably like the most I don't know if I would say brutally honest, but it's like refreshingly honest, podcasts about music. And about I mean, like, what they're the the, honestly that they're giving the the tips and the pointers are not necessarily geared towards fans of music, but they're more geared towards bands, and singer songwriters and musicians in general. And I think like, that's the one I need to I would just recommend to everyone, your time in the music industry will probably be a lot easier, a lot smoother. If you did listen to it. So yeah, I'll go ahead and get on to the interview with john Bauman here in a second. But you know, going back to New slang. If you don't follow new slang, on Instagram, and on Twitter, go ahead and do so you can find us at underscore new slang. And then on Facebook, if you just search new slang, you can find us there. Give us a like if you haven't reviewed the new slang podcast on iTunes. Go and do so as well. Write a little review. Tell your friends about us. All kinds of good stuff. And yeah, so here is the interview with john Bellman.
Yeah, we're sitting outside for this one which is sitting outside in February.
John Baumann 3:36
I love it. It's like warm. We're in the 80s or high 70s today.
Thomas Mooney 3:41
Yeah, I think it's gotten to the 80s I know a lot of people went out this afternoon and like went to the range which is like a kind of a bar thing where you can also drink and golf balls Yeah, shoot golf balls hit golf balls rather. Yeah, hit golf balls. And I thought about bringing my golf clothes up here this weekend. But this is more important. So here we are. go golfing with Have you gone golfing with six?
John Baumann 4:07
No, but I need to because I think he challenged me last time. Apparently he's a pretty decent golfer. clutter will attest to this. I bet I beat cleddau and around maybe six or eight months ago here, which is which was a good moment for him in.
Thomas Mooney 4:25
I can't remember. I think it was a I don't know. It's a couple of weeks. Maybe a couple months back. Maybe it was last time when you're hearing you're talking to him. I remember like him shooting like three rounds in a day.
John Baumann 4:39
Just that's gnarly. I mean, that's what is that 1836 was 36 plus 1848. So no, that's not right.
Thomas Mooney 4:49
What did you think? 50 some 52
John Baumann 4:51
we're not math people. Yeah, that's that's like getting up at six or 7am and going to play golf.
Thomas Mooney 4:56
Yeah, well, that's what he did. Early, early bird Getting out there playing golf all day. I'm not a golfer, I don't play golf. My one of my uncle's was a big golfer. And so I'd go with him on these little tournaments and shit, but I never
John Baumann 5:14
really got into a hell of a sport. Very challenging. A lot of fun. Very frustrating. gotta practice got to keep with it.
Thomas Mooney 5:21
Yeah. You know, he's a great golfer. He's at Brandon Adams.
John Baumann 5:24
Oh, yeah, yeah. Bryan Adams, a man of sneaky talents. Yeah.
Thomas Mooney 5:30
I believe he was like, Semi Pro for a while. Looks like she's stuck with that before he became a songwriter before we move up turn to Lubbock and became corrupted.
John Baumann 5:41
Yeah, let's Good. Good for him. Anybody? Anybody who's made it to even some Semi Pro level of anything? I tip my hat because that's a tough thing.
Thomas Mooney 5:50
Yeah. So golf is your only extracurricular kind of sport activity. I mean, other than remodeled in house
John Baumann 6:01
Yeah, I just started remodeling houses and I love it. Chip Gaines with a hard z on the end. Yeah, I'll go play golf and I can't I like I've gotten into fishing lately. Really like fishing saltwater fishing. Just off off the coast is fun fishing for reds. enjoy that. But it's hard to find time sometimes. But I used to be a good little ballplayer but baseball. I was good at baseball, football, basketball, but I just never really never really had the right bill to take it farther than being a bad as an eighth grade. Yeah. Yeah. But I was I was good in eighth grade.
Thomas Mooney 6:38
There's a I'm sure you've heard of Yogi Ferrell. But yeah, the for the pro ballplayer? Yeah, yeah, we just got him. We signed him to a 10 day now. Yeah, the man he started killing it. And they one of the little tidbits on him was that he was like the number one rated fifth grader. Like, which I'm like, How the hell are you guys rating? Kids this age, but what they said was he was like, 558 or something like that? five, seven. Yeah, fifth grade. And that's why he was really like killing everyone else. But now he's only like, 510. So he's only grown just a few inches since then. And he's I guess he went four years at Indiana. So he's about 20 to 23 a
John Baumann 7:27
four year college basketball player. What do you know? I thought those didn't exist anymore. Yeah, well, they just go in draft. Good for him. And I know he was a diamond, a diamond in the rough or whatever. Yeah. A good signing. But yeah, yeah. But good name, Yogi.
Thomas Mooney 7:42
Yeah. Yogi, not real name. I think it's something else. Yeah. Obviously. Like
John Baumann 7:47
it's not a whole lot of Yogi's in this world. I can only think of two and one of them we just talked about. Well, three.
Unknown Speaker 7:53
I can think of three Yogi's Yogi Berra, Yogi Pharaoh, Pharaoh and Yogi Bear. Ah, not dad jokes. I guess I certainly Why didn't Yogi Bear Oh, I didn't. Okay, that works. Yeah,
Thomas Mooney 8:07
yeah. Three. Not necessarily people, but yeah. Um 10 day contracts. Did you see any of those games that Yogi played? I don't watch Mavericks basketball. You know, one of them was nationally televised. That's the reason I asked.
John Baumann 8:24
Yeah, I'm gonna watch for a few minutes just in the bar because we had a show I think the other night and they were playing maybe I don't know. The Portland
Thomas Mooney 8:30
game is the one that was his breakout game where he was like killing Dame Lillard. Haha did he scored? He made like nine threes in that game. just good for him. It was just one of those. Hey, if we're talking about Yogi Ferrell as being like one of the major highlights of the maverick season Yeah, then you know we're in trouble so
John Baumann 8:51
well yeah, you know you guys are having such a rough year I wish I have nothing but the best because I know it's a somewhat of a rebuilding it's a transition year in a way
Thomas Mooney 8:59
Yeah, well, what I hate is that like we're making a push right now for like the eight seat or seven seat maybe and I'm just like, dude, like why just are we looking up for a you know, a sweep against the the warriors and I mean, like, hey, I'd love that happen. Yeah, but I would just be like, Let's lose and get a top pick because this pick or this. This year's draft is so deep. So deep draft
John Baumann 9:29
that's Yeah, that's logical thinking. You never know what the competitive guy like Cuban. All I know is the Philadelphia semi sixers have an embarrassment of riches right now.
Thomas Mooney 9:38
Yeah. Like Simmons. Not even played yet
John Baumann 9:41
now and be it's gonna be a started.
Thomas Mooney 9:43
Yeah. That it's funny as hell too.
John Baumann 9:46
He is funny, dude. He's got he's got a really good social media presence. Yeah.
Thomas Mooney 9:51
A couple of games back. He broke out the goggles, which has not been like an NBA. I'm not thinking I don't know. I guess the only person I can think of who's watching Warning goggles within the last five years for is Larry Sanders. Oh yeah. Then he retired. When I think August I think Kurt Rambis was Yeah, I think like Horace grant that era Horace grant course grant Harvey grant. I guess you do have Kurt Rambis. Gad, there has to be a lot more 80s and seven or 90s guys. Yeah. rec specs. Yeah. You know who they weren't goggles what they were like glasses was a Mari Stottlemyre. Oh, yeah. I read that book. By the way, seven seconds or less book dude. Yeah, it's great. You think I loved it, man. That's perfect. Did you walk away thinking like, oh, man, this guy's such a drama queen.
John Baumann 10:45
You know, not so much. I just, I think I sympathize with them a little bit being being pro athletes and just being the center of attention all the time that suddenly when things aren't going their way, they don't want to ride with the team or
Thomas Mooney 10:59
Yeah, whatever. Well, I don't know. You got to think about it this way, too. Is that what what is there? Like? Maybe like 400 people who play every NBA season, which means, you know, obviously some D columns and whatnot. And at one point, like all those dudes were like, star players on their high school team. Yeah. Most likely. I mean, I know there's some sometimes where it's like, oh, this guy played with three other people who went on into the NBA, but for the most part, like they've all been star players and then especially like around High School, and that, you know, getting recruited. What were they being done? Like, everyone was just given them everything. Yeah. And then all of a sudden now it's like, oh, you're like the ninth man. The 10th man.
John Baumann 11:46
fragile, fragile egos man they bruise easily. It happens Yeah, it happens.
Thomas Mooney 11:56
So yeah, you got a new record coming out and everything I do
John Baumann 11:59
man I'm really excited about it. It's people ask us It makes us a master and I can finally say yes it is 12 tracks we got a cover song on there we did attach in tune and planning for April but if it slides to me, I wouldn't be surprised and it may even show its its face in March. So really just kind of doing a lot of the prep work right now. So I've learned kind of Yeah, I don't know when the next record is gonna be so it's kind of like make make all the do as much as you can before it comes out. So you're doing shit afterwards? Because I don't know man. It's just it's gotta be gotta be real careful and real smart about how we time everything.
Thomas Mooney 12:38
Yeah. That's like the underrated aspect of put out a record. Yeah, people no one really ever thinks about is the all the prep work, making sure all
John Baumann 12:48
especially when you're an independent artists. Also, you're just so damn excited. You're like, Oh my god, I have this song that I wrote. It's got bass and drums and guitar and harmony vocals. And it's mixed and it sounds good. And I think they'll put on the radio and then it's like, you just get it out. But you know, think about maybe I should just put one song out and then wait three weeks. Maybe I just tease it for 15 seconds on Instagram and then put out two weeks just like that. But yeah, a ton of work goes into an a ton more could go sometimes you just got to stop yourself and say it's time.
Thomas Mooney 13:16
Yeah. You when flatland released the record, they had a little bit of, I guess some extra stuff. Like some like I can't think of the damn game. It's like the Mexican game. Herrick cards. Yeah, yeah, they kind of had that shit going. Yeah. Which was like an extra little Oh, you doing anything like that? No action figures?
John Baumann 13:40
No, I'm not. I'm not a toy, man. But uh, I'm real big on video. So I'm really trying to hit the video thing hard this time around. And like I teased a teased one song in the record announcement a week ago. Here's a 32nd clip of one of the songs. And that's I'm kind of doing that kind of stuff you like to kill him with content is kind of gonna be my methodology on this record. Yeah, space it out. Video. You know? So, yeah, we'll see how it works. Man. My attitude is leave no stone. leave no stone unturned. So.
Thomas Mooney 14:15
Yeah. Do you write any with anybody on this record? I
John Baumann 14:19
can just I didn't. I don't really say that proudly. Because co writing is not my favorite thing I wrote with Jamie Lynn Wilson last week, and we had a great time or a good little country drinking song. It was real good, real good exercise for me. But I take a lot of pride and haven't written 11 of the 12 songs and obviously this cover but yeah, you know, I'm best when I'm left to my own devices. I feel I can kind of do my own thing.
Thomas Mooney 14:46
Yeah. So like what Jamie like, she got that little trailer going now. Right? Yeah, she's gotta leave. You're the first person in there to
John Baumann 15:00
Yeah, right. It was great man. She's got it. She's got it set up. She and her husband Roy from the turnpike troubadours video. It's so hilarious. So he's in the gym and smoking guys video and he just looks like such a dickhead. No, he really does. He looks so mean, but you need him and he's honestly one of the sweetest people I've ever met. Incredibly kind. So it's really funny, you know, visiting and some and being like, God, you're that abusive father in the video. Yeah, but
Thomas Mooney 15:27
she's talking about how, you know, everyone will recognize him. And not her. Even though she was like on the record, like, Yeah, well,
Unknown Speaker 15:37
what
John Baumann 15:40
she got a cool little trailer down there. I gotta say she is so talented. I mean, she can pick up a mandolin a guitar. Her meter is so good on the guitar, just timing wise, she can harmonize with anybody. I mean, she's really like, I don't wanna say triple threat. But like, beyond that, like, kind of, you know, you can be doing a tribute show at steamboat show, walk up there and kill it. And then she'll come back up doing her own doing, like a guy Clark cover, and then come back nine songs later for the finale and harmonize and it's just like, Oh, my God, you know, incredibly talented and incredibly sweet and a good hang. So yeah.
Thomas Mooney 16:16
Yeah, her. Her last record was really, really great. And I don't know, like, it's one of those things where I find that it's kind of a funny thing about everybody is that even if they're really talented and really respected within the scene, they still get nervous about, like asking people to be on the record, because I remember her saying that she was kind of nervous to ask, wait, if you wanted to write, you know, or no, they had written that song, but asked if you wanted to be on it, right? And she was just kind of like, nervous about asking, and then of course, asks, and he's like, Oh, yeah, of course I was. What am I that kind of thing?
John Baumann 16:57
You're exactly right. And this asking is a big part of this whole part of it. Not being being fearless in a way like, number one lineup combat for medicine stone, she was like the only girl on it. And she was like, she tweeted something. She was like, I am on it. Because I asked to be on it. Yeah. And it's like, there's no harm in asking. The worst thing I can say is no, maybe you get your feelings hurt for a little bit. But no, it's a little funny, like asking people that are your heroes, your mentors, you'll go up to to ask him to do things. And you're like, Well, you know, this sounds weird. Not Jamie's position, but like, in my position, reach out to somebody, like, higher up the totem pole. And it's like, well, you come down to my level, you know, helped me out a little bit on something.
Thomas Mooney 17:41
Yeah. But I don't like Clara was a nervous about asking will, and Caitlyn butts to be on the record, you know?
John Baumann 17:48
And well, he got a good song and a girlfriend out of it. So yeah. No, man, it's, it's great. And it's good to collaborate, and you create unique friendships and you create something that's that's forever. Yeah. But the truth is, if you people, people are people, they just you just ask him, they'll say, yeah, that's cool.
Thomas Mooney 18:05
Yeah. I think like the will is, you know, Will's probably been asked to be on people's records 1000 times, and he's, but he's not said yes to all of them. But he says, Yes, if it works, you know, and that's something that you also have to take into account is that, you know, do I want all these big names on it just for the sake of big names, or does it work?
John Baumann 18:26
Yeah, we were one of the songs on the record. We were talking about asking Jamie Johnson on one of my songs, and I was kind of like, you know, Jamie Johnson doesn't know what the fuck. And I'm not really sure I want a guy with that much clout on there. It didn't, it didn't end up happening. But yeah, you got to take into consideration as it worked for me time was, am I gonna make a buck from it? You know, sometimes it's like, Can I get 150 bucks from singing? Sometimes it's not about that sometimes just about hanging out with other people and having a few beers. Yeah. Being on their record.
Thomas Mooney 18:58
Yeah. Your songwriting? We've talked about this before, but but you sent me over earlier, one of the things I can just really tell about your songwriting, as it's developed over over time, is that you're not putting so many words in anymore. Yeah, really. I don't know. You're more even with what you're, you're saying more with less.
John Baumann 19:23
That's appreciate that. It's, it's a process I guess. Man, sometimes I wonder if I should be writing for a newspaper or like writing short stories or novels because the words just come. They just kind of come out easier. And yeah, you know, sometimes the music takes a little bit more but yeah, I'm trying I guess I'm trying to say more with less. I guess. I'm just trying to be more concise. And just, I think it comes down to just writing better songs. Yeah. continual continual evolution.
Thomas Mooney 19:54
Yeah. Well, I think these songs they just feel natural. Yeah. You know, I don't know why a lot of the other early stuff. You know, I compared you to, like early Springsteen when he was just like trying to cram so much in and yeah, she's such a little amount of time. Yeah, you know?
John Baumann 20:13
Well, this record has 12 songs on it to 11 of which are mine and it's kind of like, I really, I talked to Charlie Charlie's heard the full record and he was like, there's three different bands on this record. And, you know, with with a, with a full length record, it's kind of like, there's a little bit of everything a little bit. There's some, I don't want to say indie pop, or like, indie rock songs, or some heavy songs. There's some anthems there's some, you know, pandering to the Texas audience songs. It's just a little bit of everything because, you know, it's a lot of songs to write. Yeah. Don't wanna do the same thing twice.
Thomas Mooney 20:49
Yeah, the anthem. You know, like on departures you had like vices on there that was to me like a very Steve Earle. Kind of Anthony. Yeah, thing. Did you like on something like that? Do you think about it being an anthem? No,
John Baumann 21:04
no. Are you just if I were to show people what vices originally sounded like, it sounded like a mellow bluegrass, like mellow mid tempo, like, slapping it just, I don't write the songs to sound like that a lot. That's the production. And like, I'll be honest, like departures was just six song little EP, but it was really, like clean and polished and big sounding and just flat out. I just don't know how much we can replicate that on stage sometimes. Yeah. And this records way more of like, who I am as an artist, where I am in my career and where my band is behind me. And it's a way better snapshot of who john Bauman is. Yeah, I think, yeah.
Thomas Mooney 21:48
But like, at what point? does it turn like on this? Like for vices? Yeah. Or once you realized it was gonna have a little bit more of a that Anthony Phil. Yeah. He said it was in production. But like, at what point does it kind of do the turn, and you guys kind of realize that's what it should be versus going down another road? You know,
John Baumann 22:09
a lot of that, I think is the, you know, I'm a guy that I'll be in the studio, and we'll be working on a track. And I love the way it comes out. And I'm not the kind it's like, No, we need to do it a different way. Because I just send the guy I hear it. I'm like, yeah, that's bad. So let's just stick with it. And it just kind of happens that way. And sometimes I'm not the best to tell people we need to stop and rethink how we're doing this. But I think some of those things just kind of naturally happen. And what's really funny is a lot of things you think are badass, end up being songs that people aren't as in love with. Yeah, and the songs that you don't like as much people are like, Yeah, dude.
Thomas Mooney 22:46
Yeah, that's, it is a strange thing.
John Baumann 22:49
Yeah, it's really strange. Like, I've been sending out the sampler record. I've been sent out a sampler to a few people with just five of the songs and I'll be interested to see what they think of the other seven.
Thomas Mooney 22:58
Yeah. I always find that interesting, too. Because, like, whenever I do, like, the panhandle, 100 List of the year kind of shit. I'm always putting, like, what I think are the best 100 songs. And that doesn't necessarily line up with what is the most popular song on on radio or something. Like, for example, with flatland when I want it's like was the number one song in Texas on radio last year. And like I don't think that's the best song on the record. I think like it's definitely I thought it was gonna be like their their breakout hit, but I think like humble folks is the best song. Yeah, they've done you know,
John Baumann 23:39
it's funny, man. It's funny what the masses what they what they respond to, you know, like, like, Eagle Ford. I hated that song. But that was like my first play on radio and people loved it. And I just hate it every time I hear it. And with vices, it's way more polished way more clean, but it didn't have anywhere near the the kind of fan reaction that basically blues or Eagle Ford got. Yeah, it's funny how people you know, you never know what they want. Yeah, you try, but you're better off just doing what you do what you think is best and then hoping, hoping something sticks.
Thomas Mooney 24:13
Yeah. Do you? Do you think send out singles to like radio? That kind of shit? You know,
John Baumann 24:19
I? I haven't. But I'm gonna start. Yeah, and this is 20 2017. I think 2017 is what I would consider a big year for us. So that 18 is a bigger year. You know what I mean? It's like building for 18. Yeah. But you know, this year, I'm gonna have I'm gonna My plan is to have three singles off this record. And we'll see
Thomas Mooney 24:38
that's one decisions on what do people like? really come into play?
John Baumann 24:42
Yeah, and you know, I'm gonna start getting second opinions here this next week and the week following, but uh, no, we're gonna we're gonna give a shout with with three different singles. And, you know, this record is way more Americana. I mean, it's it's almost like a lo fi Americana record as opposed to like a big, sprawling production. So this might be better promoting a to Americana chart than a Texas chart. But I'm in Texas I play in Texas every frickin weekend. Yeah, might as well do my due diligence and try to work the chart, you know?
Thomas Mooney 25:14
Yeah. Do you get out much outside of Texas much?
John Baumann 25:17
No, not much. Maybe maybe once a quarter if if that it's Oklahoma and Kansas, we've done a run a Chicago we'll do a casual show in New Mexico. And then there's steamboat but we've got something in Idaho with like flatland, Samurai eggs, and some of those guys this summer. But yeah, that's about it. I'd love to man. It's a big country. And I want to see more of it.
Thomas Mooney 25:36
Yeah, I think, to me, that's like the, if you look at all the the bands who are the biggest bands in Texas, or in Oklahoma, one of the reasons why they're so big is because they got out early, they got out. And we're going to California runs, you know, and up into the Northeast. Like if you look at Turnpike. Obviously those guys played down in Texas and in Oklahoma all the damn time. But they also went out and did runs elsewhere. You know?
John Baumann 26:09
Yeah. And there's something to be said for that. Also, I think you got to have a product though, aren't you like a talent bar from bar in Chicago? Doesn't have my central interest in you. Unless there's some talent. There's some talent. There's some momentum per se.
Thomas Mooney 26:25
Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like saying that all it's like also like, Well, yeah. Any example you give there also just talented
John Baumann 26:33
people. Oh, for sure. I, I really hope this this record can can get us to some other venues like I'd love to play Salt Lake City. I'd love to play. You know, Salt Lake City. What's that? Salt Lake City Salt Lake City. That's right. But we'll just have to see, man. But the good thing about being in Texas is you know, it's a six hour drive home tomorrow, which isn't that bad.
Thomas Mooney 26:57
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you you've been remodel your own house or just other people's know,
Unknown Speaker 27:02
what's the what's the deal? So I
John Baumann 27:06
musicians, you know, bank accounts, sometimes get a little tight time too tight. So, you know, I just picked up some part time work doing some home remodeling for a local company that hires awesome musicians, and I've been there I've only been doing it for a few weeks, but I absolutely love it. But I'll tell you why I'm really doing it is because I'm a guy who needs to be busy and moving and constantly on the go because when I'm idle I'm miserable. Yeah, and you know, I'll get home tomorrow. Have a bottle of wine tomorrow night, wake up at 830 and go back to remodeling houses. Yeah, and you know, I work for a few hours go out on my lunch break and check my phone and hustle all the music stuff I can and then it's back to work but you know their their work with my schedule a five increase to gig on a Tuesday night in Stephenville did let me go but right now it's really it's really just about the peace of mind. Yeah, so yeah. Gotta get some like, working hands. Yeah, I love allowances. I love it, man. It's good too, because I also think about like songs. And there's something about like woodworking and craftsmanship that goes hand in hand with songwriting. I'm learning new stuff all the time. But I take a lot of pride in what I'm doing right now. And especially pre record release. It's like good for me to get my mind off of it. Yeah. Because if I'm just sitting at home thinking about what are people going to think of this? I'm a pretty unhappy guy. Yeah. So
Thomas Mooney 28:22
yeah, I used to work in a cabinet door shop. Making cabinet doors.
John Baumann 28:26
Yeah, it's good stuff. I've never been one for like the retail world like behind the counter. But it's good to know just like, well, we got it. We got a little system down and you work a hard day and I'll tell you what, beer tastes a shit ton better at the end of at the end of a long day than waiting for the missus to come home. And she's she's watching ESPN. She's like, what did you do today? And I'm like, I didn't do shit.
Thomas Mooney 28:50
Beer taste, taste. Taste is better.
John Baumann 28:53
It does taste better, dude. I don't usually drink beer on the weeknights. But when I get home, I'll crack crack cold and put a good dip in Granger Smith style and just kidding. But uh, yeah, I'm pretty happy right now, man. liking it.
Thomas Mooney 29:05
Yeah. So how are your spurs doing?
John Baumann 29:10
I'm really excited. Dewayne dedmon was a great fun spurs. Dude looks oldest shit. He's long and like he did. I don't know how old he is. But I'll tell you what, man. I feel good. Yeah, real good. Flying under
Thomas Mooney 29:25
underneath the radar.
John Baumann 29:26
Yeah, I mean, 41 and 12 doesn't suck. But you know, let him talk about LeBron. Let him talk about the dumpster fire in New York.
Thomas Mooney 29:33
I'm talking about the warriors. I'm talking about Katy go back to OKC but all along, we're gonna be just getting better and the okay. First off of the LeBron thing, where you know he clap backs at Barkley. has some words for Phil earlier in the season. Then what's he do? was the last person. Oh yeah. Franco solo for the He's all just going off on people. I think that's a good thing. Just because like I'm tired of tired of the passive aggressive LeBron, like, if we can just have just regular aggressive LeBron, I'm fine. I'm way more happy with that. The brutally honest LeBron versus the prpc the passive aggressive tweeting things that are just like sub tweets about Bosh or yeah Riley back in
John Baumann 30:28
the US PGI Pardon the Interruption no I used to so I watch that show all the time and like every single day and Kornheiser just thinks that LeBron just runs that team, GM coach and player Yeah. I you know, in my opinion, he's the second greatest basketball player of all time and you can do what he wants and but I the passive aggressive shit is weird. Yeah, well, Kevin Love thing was weird to me. It's just like, Dude, this is I'm not a big believer in internal conflict or Yeah, just weird subliminal messaging. I just think it's weird. Well, the
Thomas Mooney 31:01
thing is, like, I do think he there is something to him, like having the approval of everything barbecue domain, like he does have, like, I'm sure like everything's run past him in a way but also like, just showing him that like the, they've not they have like 14 people on the roster right now and you can have 15 and if if they not had any 10 day guys, right, they'd not like sign somebody. The one trade that he did was for Korver and still wants a playmaker. Yeah, we want to backup point guard, playmaker, blah, blah, blah. Or he
John Baumann 31:38
wants one of his buddies on the team, I think really?
Thomas Mooney 31:41
Yeah. But like the thing is, is like it to me, it just shows that he's, he's not in charge of everything, you know? Of course like him in Dan Gilbert the owner, but he still doesn't talk to him about he doesn't ever say his name. He just says the owner. The owners gonna own and then like, I can't think of what the Jim's name is, but he'll say his name. Yeah. And I don't know. I don't know either. I don't think they necessarily got lucky last year, but they they found the Warriors with injuries and
John Baumann 32:16
they run down to that chase for 7073 wins kick there. It was their undoing. Yeah. And
Thomas Mooney 32:22
then also like Dre mon was suspended that one game yeah, that I think that's probably more than anything else.
John Baumann 32:30
Yeah, that was impressive though. It was downright impressive, but I was happy for them. I remember watching that game just I said a lot. Holy shit. They're gonna do it. Yeah. And it was just like, I love moments like that. Yeah, just
Thomas Mooney 32:42
try out see this entire year has been like a national championship kind of shit. has all been like holy shit moments. If you go to has been super bowl national championship, it has been Yeah. Even the World Series World Series NCAA Men's our
John Baumann 33:00
last podcast we talked about how good the Cubs were doing and I said I think they're gonna I think they're gonna take
Thomas Mooney 33:05
Yeah, well, the the underrated one and all these that everyone forgets to mention is the NCAA Men's. Final Four final game. Villanova versus UNC. Remember, UNC drives down the court hits a shot timeout they're up by one and there's like three seconds left Villanova has to like get the ball down court full court and pass it the point guard point guard goes down. The guy who passed the ball in it just trailing him off to the side and then he pitches it back to him remember in the hits that three pointer at the buzzer? Yeah. So like it was that, too is just like a great comeback.
John Baumann 33:45
It's been a good it's been a good year for the big games. I hate college basketball.
Thomas Mooney 33:50
I hate it too. But that was a great game.
John Baumann 33:51
Yeah, it was it's I bet we got a good bit. We get a good NBA Finals and good Conference Finals this year too. And ready for baseball season. But yeah, it's been great man. The National Championship. Super Bowl is awesome, dude. Yeah, I mean, that's a championship in the Super Bowl. We're kind of similar how like, sort of a grudge match national championship in the last three minutes. were incredible roles NASCAR coming, people. I was a real party and people were leaving.
Thomas Mooney 34:14
Yeah. The National Championship game. I thought like I felt bad. For Clemson for a while. I was like, they're not ready. They're they can't do this.
John Baumann 34:27
I thought they were the better team watching. Who did they play in the first round of playoff? OH, Ohio State. Yeah, I think so. mop the floor? Yeah. Or was it? I don't know. It was a Washington. I don't remember they kick their ass and they just looked so dominant and Alabama didn't look as dominant in their playoff game. Yeah. And I just thought Clemson is the better team here. I was I felt like an outlier but but Alabama
Thomas Mooney 34:50
like that first. First, like first quarter and a half for a second half or the first half. Alabama was just killing them. Yeah, like they look like They were What's his face? The quarterback just looked like he was not looking downfield like he was just looking at the rush. You couldn't get out on any bootlegs anything like that and was just getting killed. But I don't know they did come back. I think what happened is the defense just got tired. The offense, your Alabama was a freshman quarterback in that kind of shit.
John Baumann 35:30
Well, I wonder if Nick if Nick Saban regrets letting Kiffin Go and bring in Sarkeesian I mean, that just seemed like the stupidest thing ever. Yeah, just keep your continuity, dude. Like, don't shift off offensive coordinators for the biggest game in the season. I mean, this is what you guys have been preparing for.
Thomas Mooney 35:46
Yeah, we'll see. I've heard a lot of people say that the Kiffin but the game before. The reason why Alabama was struggling was because people said that Kiffin was trying to juggle those two jobs at once the Yeah, he probably was so Kiffin such a Yeah. Like I always think with Kiffin is like he's done some. If you look back at like the USC, Oakland Raiders, the Tennessee job all of those things. Yeah, he he was like a kid. Yeah, like an immature kid. But he's still like he was still older than us.
John Baumann 36:19
Yeah, at that point. He's had a really mangled career. Yeah. We'll see how he does in his new position, but definitely hasn't haven't had any longevity anywhere. Yeah. Yeah, the it's got a hot wife. So we'll get in the past.
Thomas Mooney 36:33
You see. Did you hear those rumors about like him in Saban's daughter though? No.
John Baumann 36:41
I'd love to hear about a look that up on like, like hooking like messing around with it. That's what I read somewhere. Jesus but yeah, what a dog I digress. Super Bowl.
I had the Patriots. So first of all, I had Luke Bryan singing the national anthem and under 209 which I which hit to a 650 dollars. Thank you very much.
Thomas Mooney 37:05
Did you just listen to the season's over under Prop that kind of shit. Just
John Baumann 37:09
bet on all those and now I just took the I took the Luke Bryan one because it made sense. Especially like cousin Sal talking about how Luke previous national anthems he was like at 154. Yeah. And he was he was going slow. It's horrible. Yeah. And then I took the Patriots minus three. And they won. And I just, I just can't get that team out. Man. I think Belichick is just a badass. Yeah, just a badass.
Thomas Mooney 37:34
Well, what I loved was at halftime, you saw a lot of people tweeting out. You know, we got to keep Jimmy. Yeah, I think Brady's done. Yeah. And then
John Baumann 37:48
I keep Jimmy anyways, man. I think he's Aaron Rodgers. 2.0 with Brett Farve, you know,
Thomas Mooney 37:52
yeah, I think it's just like if you're Jimmy, like you're, he's like, 2728 No way. Yeah. Like he's been there a while. Like he's like, I think he's like 2627.
John Baumann 38:02
I want to say something like was like 25 maybe 26. Tony, but he might be trade bait this year. I mean, San Francisco needs a QB. I think
Thomas Mooney 38:10
like you trade them for a first rounder. Yeah. And then like you take another quarterback in the third round this year. Yeah. To do the same thing. I think Tom has maybe one to two left. You have it. He wants to play like four or five. I know. I know. It sounds crazy. His heart wants with the body can't have some times. Yeah. I think he's like your song right there. Maybe I should write it. need to take a break real quick. Give me Give me 20 minutes. No, just kidding. But he The thing about Brady is that he's not lost any of his athleticism just because he didn't really have a lot working at the beginning. So
John Baumann 38:46
like I think a lot of it's the sleep regimen and the diet and yeah, some of that crazy self discipline that's kept him going and might keep him going longer than most other quarterbacks you might be you might be setting a blueprint for how a professional athlete needs to treat that body
Thomas Mooney 38:59
but as like Simmons talked about this a whole lot. Is that once it goes he goes and you saw with Manning Yeah. You went so fast. Yeah. So fast. And like the Broncos won that championship the well with their defense in spite of Manning playing, you know?
John Baumann 39:22
Yeah, well in the past, they're not a defensive juggernaut and so been no break. Yeah, I just I just wonder if we see it in the next year. Also, if he gets hurt like an ACL or something like like a serious leg injury.
Thomas Mooney 39:36
What did he do? like four or five years ago broke his leg. So what'll happen when a castle came in? Yeah, broke his leg. Yeah, that was like first game of the season. Yeah. Kansas City. Yeah. See that? They did that with castle right then right is that it went like 10 and six with castle but they somehow missed the playoffs. Yeah. And then they were able to to trade him to Kansas City. I don't know what they got back, but
John Baumann 40:05
I'm not sure either but Bellatrix a mastermind and he'll cut you loose and cut you loose when he thinks Yeah,
Thomas Mooney 40:11
well you trade more you're done but traded Jamie Collins this year? Yeah. mid season to the browns. Yeah. There seems like I mean, maybe he just didn't like Jamie Collins that much. So he's like, you know, I was gonna trade you but then he did this. And
John Baumann 40:26
you got to watch stuff on that organization. Yeah, one small step. But it's also there. Also reclamation organization, you know, like, Michael Floyd, I wonder how long Brock's gonna be there. No, I,
Thomas Mooney 40:38
I would not be surprised if Jimmy and gronk are traded.
John Baumann 40:41
Yeah. Man, if I was the GM, I'd cut gronk. And I'd, uh, because grokster free agent this year, so he's looking at some money, I
Thomas Mooney 40:49
think. I don't know if he's looking at money regardless. Yeah.
John Baumann 40:52
But I'd hang on to Jimmy. I think he's a badass, but almost any QB can thrive in that organization, I think. Yeah. You know, so. Yeah. We will see.
Thomas Mooney 41:02
Do you watch or listen to Dan Patrick in the morning.
John Baumann 41:06
Sometimes they cut them they cut them from my my local am sports station in Austin. He's not syndicated there right now. But you know, that stuff comes and go. Yeah.
Thomas Mooney 41:14
What's his face? Make Levin on there? Yeah, he's always talking about Brady being a system quarterback. So system. quarterbacks? Yes. It's important. I think that's so dumb, though. Because I think like everything's a system. And like
John Baumann 41:27
it is but some systems are more evolved than others. I
Thomas Mooney 41:30
would say Well, I mean, like, there's, like, there's the system, where it's like the gimmick system, which makes guys look better. And then there's like, actually, you know, everything's a fucking system, though. Yeah. But like, he's always arguing about systems being a system quarterback. Yeah. in ways that are not. I don't know. Yeah. I know. We've talked about Super Bowl halftime stuff before, but how like, it should only be like Bruno Mars. Yeah. Beyonce. I think we can add Lady Gaga to that mix. Well, I
John Baumann 42:04
think you probably could, I didn't actually watch that was the one thing I didn't watch. This year, I went outside and got some fresh air. I was at one of these Super Bowl parties where all the guys are in the living room watching the game and all the girls are in the kitchen chirping. So I got some fresh air, but I heard only only the best things. I heard about the 100 million dollar insurance policy they had to take out on the roofs. Jesus, but you know, badass. Yeah, you know, heard only great things. So yeah, I was surprised they
Thomas Mooney 42:31
didn't bring out Tony Bennett for something. Yeah. The creepy the creepy love. Yeah, love dynamic. I'm just kidding. Let's, I think so funny. Is that one. She does this incredible halftime show. And it's like, not any nice stuff. Like nothing within like the last year or something. I think there may have been like one song off her last record, but all of it was like, fame monster era. Yeah, just like six years ago. And I mean, share my wife on the podcast. She could talk about this stuff with you. Oh, I know. I'm gonna just ramble on. But it goes into, like everyone loving nostalgia, even if it's just like five years ago, right? Everyone loves that shit. I want to also though I found funny is that seen a whole lot of people who were just conservative in nature. Talk about how great this halftime show was. It was a she didn't try and make any political stance. And it's like, well, five years ago, you guys were like going crazy about poker face. Yeah, not good for our teenage daughters to be loving. I don't know. People are weird. Yeah. But you're doing covers? I'm doing some covers. Yeah. Is it for nostalgia? Or is it for?
John Baumann 43:54
It's, it's it's two parts. One is, you know, going in there with so much original music to a bar people have never heard you before you got that's, that's how you get through that 90 minutes. You know, sometimes when you think you can kind of keep them engaged. But one thing I've really loved about doing covers is taking them and making them making them my own. Yeah, you know, we'll do like, we started doing dance in the dark by Springsteen. And we were doing it for a while just just like he does it. Yeah. But we've done now is we've slowed it down, way down. And the song is it's like a Springsteen song anymore. But people still know it. And they know it works. Let's sing along to it. And it's just, it's it's really refreshing. It's actually kind of at this moment, kind of waiting for the new record to come out before we start really dishing out those songs. It's become my favorite part of the show. Yeah, well, it
Thomas Mooney 44:43
seems like you've done your song. elton john. Yeah. The Dire Straits song walk of life. Yeah.
John Baumann 44:49
We slowed we slow down walk of life. we speed up your song. We do tougher than the rest. Kind of like ladoo does it not like Springsteen? Yeah, we start Doing Folsom and slow way down and swamp of fire. We've got we're doing la freeway kind of just like that. Like the like the record and and little Amarillo highway occasionally So, but it's been fun man I've actually really gotten into it. Yeah, I just can't because I you'll never sing the song The same way they did so why why try? Yeah, especially me some guys can pull it off but I'm just not I'm not that much. I'm not the vocalist that can mimic Springsteen. Yeah, so, man. I don't know. It's nice out today. Yeah. Not February snow. But Dutch. Lula, Lubbock, Texas. Back again. We're here in April. With Willie, that show got rescheduled. Sorry about that. I think it's April 23. April 22. So should be good. Hope he's doing all right. Yeah. You bought a suit for that. You haven't wear my suit a little bit?
Thomas Mooney 46:03
Yeah. Yeah. You like that? Like the?
John Baumann 46:07
Yeah, I do. Like, I don't think I'd be wearing it if I didn't. You know, some shows I busted out. And uh, it's good, man. Get the sharpest guy in the room. It has power when you wear a jacket. It's crazy. Yeah, people treat you differently.
Thomas Mooney 46:20
Yeah. Funny. Why? Remember? What was it? Not last time you played here? You're opening for somebody? Yeah. As
John Baumann 46:28
I've been with Cody Johnson over at Charlie B's and uh, yeah, sometimes you sneaked in over here. I snuck in over here. I'd had enough about I had enough of that environment and came over here. I think Caitlin bus was playing and yeah, it was a little Gus Gus gussied up, but, you know, I like I like it when we dress up sometimes, you know, like, rubber duckies. Guys, those guys look sharp as hell. Yeah. And
Thomas Mooney 46:49
when you dress up, does the rest of the band dress up? Yeah, I mean, it looks it looks weird. So you know, just just making sure
John Baumann 46:54
yeah, but I mean, sometimes it's fun to throw a bolo tie on or just wear a tie. But you know, it does. Willie shows we we dress up, you know, it's kind of a respect for the venue respect for the crowd. That's there, too, because these people are paying $200 for this ticket. You know, walking out there and a denim shirt. You know, tonight's a denim shirt night. You know, some nights are buttoned down in a jacket. Yeah, but you look good. You feel good. And it goes a long way.
Thomas Mooney 47:17
Yeah. So you guys gonna do like, what like Kacey musgraves does with her band, like the? Yeah, those are the those are badass suits. Yeah, I just I don't know if they're necessarily nudie suits. But yeah,
John Baumann 47:29
she looks good in it. That's a little over the top for me. And honestly, the music is a little bit too raw. Mostly dress up sometimes. Yeah. So. But yeah, we've got we've established a little bit of a dress code in the in the band. That's good.
Thomas Mooney 47:45
Yeah. bolo ties. Yeah, photos work. Dude, they
John Baumann 47:50
got they got some vintage swag to him, man. They just look cool. Every time I go to a wedding. Now I never wear a tie or a bolo tie. I
Thomas Mooney 47:56
love it. Yeah, you was that like thrift store shop and kind of stuff for?
John Baumann 48:02
Man. I honestly don't do thrift stores anymore because everything is just like seedy and worn out. seedy and worn out. Yeah, I just
Thomas Mooney 48:10
my thrift store for like bolo ties is not.
John Baumann 48:13
I'll go to sheplers or poop already had I spent 22 hearts on a bolo tie, which is ridiculous. But I bought bolo ties for the band. I called it a knighting ceremony. And I gave them each a different bolo tie like one with an American flag with an eagle one with a guitar on it just like this is for you. Yeah. It was very, it was very much done in the in the van. Yeah, but it was it was a proper knighting ceremony.
Thomas Mooney 48:35
Do you guys ever think you're gonna like rap the van with everyone's faces on it?
John Baumann 48:39
150% Definitely not.
Thomas Mooney 48:41
That's like another knighting ceremony. I was thinking.
John Baumann 48:45
Yeah, I got this. My uncle works. He's a sign maker. He's like, I'd love to rap your van and trailer and I'm just like, that's a terrible idea, dude. Yeah,
Thomas Mooney 48:51
see, I always think that like one I think it looks dumb. But to like if you're like the the dude in the band who is like the least qualified to be in there. Like everyone hates that'd be the that's the job security. Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, they're not gonna just fire you. Yeah,
John Baumann 49:11
say, man. I can't I don't want to pay another 1500 bucks to get this thing reprinted you know? Yeah. Yeah, I'm
Thomas Mooney 49:18
sure that's happened though. It's
John Baumann 49:19
Yeah, but I think it's totally like a thing of the past I guess. Like big Nashville tour buses from the 90s with the face on the side. Yeah, pretty gnarly. See if I was like
Thomas Mooney 49:30
I don't know. It's very much like a 90s country thing like you're saying like I don't know if the the George Strait ever do that. He might have just had like his name. He might like his logo name.
John Baumann 49:42
I just don't know. I've heard I've heard that story about Robert Kennedy and broke down a side of the road and Roxy burrows Bosque whizzes by and I think they say that his face is on there, but maybe it wasn't. I don't know. But yeah, I think in 20 1620 What is it 2017 it's just not cool anymore.
Thomas Mooney 49:56
Got to bring it back. Yeah, you know grasper Rex is playing here. It's exciting. Do you got to get on a podcast got like five dates. That's why I think like even there's a sliver of a chance because he's gonna be here like, freakin four days or something like that. He's probably like five or six shows in Lubbock. Yeah, they're all sold out. That's, that's cool. You got a chance, man. fighting chance. He's doing like a matinee. A couple matinees, I believe. Yeah. It's badass. Do you? Who do you think could do that? Like here in Lubbock?
John Baumann 50:33
like four or five shows in a row? Yeah.
Thomas Mooney 50:36
George, I said, George, and somebody on Twitter said that they didn't think so. And I said, No, well, you're gonna have like, everybody there.
John Baumann 50:46
I I'd say George confidently, I'd say Garth confidently. There's some guys that are just a notch below like Alan Jackson and I could see maybe doing two nights, but I just don't i don't think Alan Jackson's back to back night guy anymore. Yeah, I think it's got to be a heartland country.
Thomas Mooney 51:02
I said, I get hit guy, like Shania Twain. I think that'd be awesome. I think Taylor Swift could.
John Baumann 51:08
Oh, yeah. But then you're bridging a whole nother genre. With Taylor. I mean, how would Kings of Leon do here?
Thomas Mooney 51:18
I think they would have to be like amphitheatre. I don't think they could do united spirit. They sell the amphitheater out kingslayer. Anything. You'd have to be like a. I don't know. It has to be that they wouldn't do like on our Friday. Yeah. I'll put it that way. They would do like they could do like a weird Tuesday or something. Yeah. Where? If it doesn't sell out, it's okay. Because then Friday, they're playing Dallas that Sturgis two nights here. Sergio played here. couple years back at the the the Civic Center and one of the rooms over there. It was really cool. It wasn't sold out, though. Wow. It was like a big year. Yeah. I mean, you would think that like no matter what he would have sold that out. Stapleton tickets went that quick. Yeah. He played at Citibank. I think like, I don't know, I think maybe Stapleton could do something like that, like a two nighter.
John Baumann 52:14
Yeah. kind of thing. Kanye West. Of course. Beyonce. Of course. Man. I can't like Garth is doing fine. That's crazy. There's
Thomas Mooney 52:24
like five shows. Yeah.
John Baumann 52:25
No, I'm in Lubbock, Texas. I mean, we're in the heartland or just south of it. You know, it's perfect for for Garth. The heartland Heartland. Yeah, sing a song about the Heartland.
Thomas Mooney 52:40
Yeah. Did you uh, you big Garth guy. I had a big Garth guy. Yeah, I think like Garth is underrated. Because, like, everyone always talks about him just having like the big show The Smashing guitar kind of shit. which granted, he did. But he also was like, he wrote a whole lot of those songs. He was a integral part of like, what the the writing process was, you know, and I think that's where he's severely underrated. Like, if He even went out there with just an acoustic guitar. He could just do that. With him songs. Well, he's
John Baumann 53:15
a he's a tour de force with that. Yeah, that song that summer. Yeah. Oh, man. I've started playing that one acoustic like if I'm just playing a place that just like doesn't give a shit about what I'm doing. I'll play that one. And I love that song, man. Yeah, I remember listening to us. 13 first time I heard just played it over and over again. That's your go to? Yeah, I think ours was probably my number one Garth. But Dude, it's, it's like one a one B one c? I really like cars. I really like shorts, too. I mean, they're they're like one a one meter meter in terms of like mega country.
Thomas Mooney 53:47
Yeah, yeah. Um, did you listen to his new record? Now?
John Baumann 53:52
I'm a heyday guy to the guy. Like, organize these cars, you know, like early aughts cars, you know, that's, that's the Garth I know and love it. You know, there's too much other good music out there for me to I, you know, I just I'm not I'm just not gonna spend the time on his new record. I'm just not
Thomas Mooney 54:10
see. I got his new record. And it's not as bad as I thought I was good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, he's a pro. I mean, I should take a listen to it. But there's like three, three or four songs that are like, oh, that that sounds like 90 score. That's, that's awesome. And then there's like, a couple songs. There's one song and you're just like, I remember what it's called. Yeah, I have it on my phone. And it's just like, No, don't do that. Just don't. Yeah. Why did you do that? Yeah. It was called Bang, bang, and it's all in caps. With exclamation. Oh, no. There's a song on there called 18 or the eight is an eight. T Yeah. And it looks really dumb. But it's actually Okay.
John Baumann 54:49
Well, that's cool. Some some of that should just looks weird. Like and sometimes people just age I'm a saint Garth. Like some people just kind of lose their. What's hip sometimes? Yeah.
Thomas Mooney 54:57
It's funny to watch what it is. I think is like you've done something that's hit every time forever. And so then either you get into that thing where you just like, you're on that treadmill or just like, no, this is what this is what what is what it is? Or you do the whole like with it everything like the the scene is moving past me. So I've got to like jump into that. Like it would be like if if George was like, Well, shit, I need to get into this bro country stuff. You know, totally because it's hitting, you know, I
John Baumann 55:34
got Clark's book that came out just recently. I'm the biggest guy car fan or one of them love on my dorm. One thing that kind of caught me a strange was felt like, what just when I read that book was he was doing a lot of CO writes with younger up and comers. And I wonder if part of that was not to stay relevant. But just to keep with the times or not keep with the times, you know, I'm saying like, stay fresh, stay fresh, and also keep your catalog alive and well. And maybe your mailbox money alive and well. Not that it was hurting, but just you know, savvy business decision, right with younger up and coming guys.
Thomas Mooney 56:18
I mean, like, I'm guessing that dudes in their 20s they're just gonna be filled with a little bit more piss and vinegar than somebody in there.
John Baumann 56:31
There's no doubt about it. I think back I'm 29 I started Yes, I was 24. And I couldn't shut up about what I was doing what I was writing. I mean, I'd walk into a bar to see a mcmurtrey show in Austin and I have like 10 CDs in my back pocket. I just hand them out to people. Yeah, in the piss and vinegar thing. And your youth is incredibly strong, strong thing. I'm still excited as ever. But you can definitely feel like reality sets in as you age a little bit and the enthusiasm is still there. But it's not what it was. Yeah. But
Thomas Mooney 57:03
you know, but I think that's why so many people burn out burnout. You know, they they burn out so quickly, just because he burned so hot in the beginning. Yeah. Well, you're just so excited. Yeah. And all of a sudden, if things aren't picking up, then you're just like, fuck it.
John Baumann 57:19
Well, it's super easy to get discouraged. And yeah. Just this is a weird, this is a weird business and people will pass you by or you'll pass somebody by or whatever. But yeah, I do. A lot of Jeb hurt. He works at Red 11 our booking agency in Austin told me one time he said some guys start too soon and they burn out. Some guys start too late. It's too late. And I think a lot of it is the guys who start too soon. Don't burn out because they don't get discouraged. They just keep fighting. I think some of those are some of the best success stories. Yeah, you know? Yeah.
Thomas Mooney 57:50
I mean, also, like so many guys. Like you don't necessarily become a superstar until later in life. Right. Like, we get Stapleton. Yeah. I love it. I don't think like that's necessarily an anomaly. I think that like a lot of guys. Don't become did established until their posts 30
John Baumann 58:10
Oh, dude, I couldn't agree more. I look at ages of my favorite artists on like, their Wikipedia page, and I do the math on how old they are. Now, when were they born? When did that record hit? Or when did that first big moment come? And do it? A lot of them. 3132 33 I look at Stapleton I look at Sergio both 35 when they kind of became Yeah, is being Yeah, Isabel. I mean, Isabel had his thing with the drive by truckers and then the six, the 400 unit. Yeah, but dude, the thing is, people, they should take time, like learning everything and learning how not to suck and like just all these different things, dude. And sometimes it takes 510 15 years. And if you're still in it, boy Howdy. It's gonna look real good for you. Yeah, because you've just weathered the storms and you've gotten to be become a badass.
Thomas Mooney 58:59
Yeah, like Terry Allen luck on everything didn't come out until he was 35. And that was, you know, a second record.
John Baumann 59:06
It's, it's awesome. But also people at that age. You're you've lived for 35 years. Yeah. I think you know, when you're 25 you've been alive for 25 years, but you've really only been like Cognizant, aware, mature for maybe five or 10. And maybe you're not even mature then. You know what I mean? Yeah. 29 year old me hates 28 year old me. It took 27 year old me. Yeah, it's the last couple years. So everything's a constant evolution. Yeah. Well, it's
Thomas Mooney 59:35
a sell somebody on post on Facebook earlier, just like a week ago, saying how? Now I'm like, 28 now and, you know, I feel the same way I do, as I did when I was 20 until I'm hanging around 20 year olds, and then I realize that I'm nothing like a 20 year old
John Baumann 59:53
now. My mom's always like, they're only a couple years younger than you. Why don't you just hang out with him and I'm like, it's it's feels like 10 Yours. Yeah, you know? Yeah. Yeah, it's funny it's I think a lot of people in their 20s 20s is the grind years the development years and 30s a year you kept 30 the 30s of the capitalization years, I think for almost any endeavor. Yeah. You know, always get so frustrated a lot of the guys went to college with they they get out of college and have these big badass six figure salary jobs. I'm like, What the fuck? What happened? What about me guys? Yeah, but it's all good.
Thomas Mooney 1:00:30
Yeah, well, I
Unknown Speaker 1:00:32
want to cut it.
John Baumann 1:00:33
Yeah, man. I'm gonna eat this frickin barbecue sandwich. Yeah, let's do that. All right.
Thomas Mooney 1:00:37
Thank you, man.
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