029: Jacob Furr

On Episode 029, we catch up with Ft. Worth-based singer-songwriter Jacob Furr. During this one, we talk about Furr's storytelling style, Ft. Worth songwriters, the Texas music scene, and his latest album, Sierra Madre.

Interview Transcript

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Thomas Mooney 0:08

Hey everyone, welcome to episode number 29 of the new sling podcast. I'm Thomas Mooney I'm your host I'm a music journalists music critic. I'm gonna say music appreciator. Let's go with that here in Lubbock. And on episode 29. We we catch up with Fort Worth singer songwriter shakeup for he was here in Lubbock last Thursday. And so, um, you know, I called him up and said, Hey, you should be on the podcast when you're in town. And so that's what happened. After soundcheck, we sat there for about an hour just talking about all kinds of stuff. Jacob, he, he's one of my favorite songwriters. He, he released this new record called Sierra Madre last year, which that ended up being on my, I guess, like top 10 ish albums list for Lone Star music. And we really don't even talk about the making of the record, even though I think it's a brilliant record. We ended up talking more about his time here in Lubbock, because I don't know if a lot of people know he went to school here at Texas Tech for so many years, I guess, I don't know, maybe 7567 years ago, something like that. And so we talked about the, the music scene of Lubbock back then, and how it's changed so much even just in such a short amount of time. And he throws out some interesting little facts about some now famous musicians are moderately famous, I guess I'm not. It's not like, you could say Chris Stapleton went to school, her attack or something like that. It's not that big, but it's some interesting little tidbits that he throws out. And so anyways, we talked about, really about that time, and how, you know, the music that you listened to, in your early 20s, late teens, it has such an effect on you. As you aged, you know, and really, like, in a weird way, you honestly can sometimes not appreciate the music that you listened to at that time. Until you're older, I guess, like the little nuances. You know, it's one of those things where like, for example, I guess, like about a month ago, people were sharing their top 10 records that they listened to as, as teenagers. And, you know, I think that a lot of people lied on those lists, just because, you know, nobody wants to admit that they were listening to a bunch of angsty bullshit, you want to be cooler than than you actually were. And I mean, like, in 10 years, I'm sure people would be lying about the records that they listened to as the 20 year olds, or 30 year olds, or whatever the case is, just because that's just human nature. But anyways, we talked about, like these records that for example, like bright eyes, there's a lot of records that bright eyes put out. When I was, I guess what we mean check around the same age. So around 2004, three through seven, Brian eyes and like Ryan Adams, and Elliott Smith, and like the shins, and I could just go on forever, but all these like indie rock bands that we listen to. And it's strange now, like, I don't necessarily listen to those records all the time now, but when I do, like, they're just these little things that I forgot about, on the record, or things that I just didn't ever pick up. That but I pick up now. And I guess like one of the major bullet points of the of this conversation is social media, and how like, with technology, with the way like we don't speak in a one on an in one on one settings anymore. How it's all through the filter of text message or email or Facebook, Twitter, what have you. All those little things that really kind of created a, a society that's almost tribal in a way. It's very much a mob mentality. And

I don't want to go really into it right here. Just because I'll just be rehashing the conversation with Jacob. But, for example, I just put it this way. A lot of people, they take criticism in very childish ways these days, and you just become an a hater or a massive idiot just for having an opinion on something rather than just, you know, having an opinion. A respected opinion. I guess that's what I'm saying. So we talked a little bit about that. And we also go into a little bit about this is connected. We go into the whole Josh weathers thing, which, you know, Josh weathers he played for President Trump at his inauguration. I guess that was, I don't know, two weeks ago now. And there was a backlash to Josh weathers playing for President Trump, which I think is, in part understandable, because of what Trump is just a polarizing figure these days. And so, anyways, it's kind of strange how like, there was a backlash to to Josh, and then there was a backlash to the backlash to Josh, and then there was like a, another backlash to that backlash to the original backlash. And I don't know, I think it's kind of I don't know, I think he's just kind of weird. Interesting, at least, maybe not weird. But anyways, we talked about all these little, these those little things on this episode. Okay, so I always just find it so weird how we have to talk about the conversation, which is just talking about talking. And so I'm gonna go and stop talking about the conversation with Josh and just get on to other little things about this week. On New slang now we have Kirby Brown, his newest EP streaming on on new slang. It comes with a q&a with Kirby about the the making of this out of exile trilogy. That he that is put out, I guess he's only put out two of the three, but you get the point. And then also, Jacob just released a new music video for for the song Sierra Madre from the CD release party or show at Magnolia motor lounge. I guess this was back when they did the CD release back in the fall. And so we do have that also on new slang. And next week, we'll have a few cool things. We'll have like our mailbag that I've been working on. I know it's probably should have been out back in January. And it's February 3 now. So it's coming a little late will probably be next week. I know. It's whatever. So yeah, there's all that stuff on new slang now. There'll be some really cool stuff on new slank next week. And if you don't follow the new slang podcasts, go ahead and subscribe on iTunes. Now. Give us a review. And follow us on social media and stuff at underscore new slang on Twitter go like us on Facebook at New slang. And yeah, so here's our conversation with Jacob. Well, hello, Tom. Hey, what's up? What's going on? Here? We got the blue light all by ourselves. Yeah, no.

Jacob Furr 8:49

Have you ever been here with this few amount of people? The last time I played here, this many this many people were here by the time we were done playing our third song so well. Yeah. I apologize for that. No, it's okay. It was icy that night. So everybody left? Yeah, I see. Yeah. So yeah, I've been here with this few people. Yeah, it's fun. I guess like,

Thomas Mooney 9:13

three or four years ago, Kirk's played up here. When it was it was snowing, like the day before, the day of the day after, like, that kind of thing. And they still made it up here and played. Yeah. And there was probably, I would say maybe 15 people in here. And it was but it was that's one of the most memorable. Yeah, for shows.

Jacob Furr 9:36

I can remember because everybody that was here, like, wanted to be here. You know, it's like, we're dedicated to go into the show.

Thomas Mooney 9:40

Yeah. And then after we went to the motel room and got drunk and like, had like a I can't even remember where it was, but it was like, it had like an indoor swimming pool. A big hotel did yeah. Oh, and so like, Is it the Nevermind. What was it going. I don't know which one it is. It's a one off slide and or not slide but like the loop and like South loop. Like this slide. It's kind of like my slide and Ruby Quaker. Okay. Big atrium basically. And like, I don't know if you know, Joey but like, Joey, this was before he was drumming for them. He was, you know, super fan, but like, good friends too. And he was just like, I'm going swimming it just like when it's snowing outside. Yeah,

Jacob Furr 10:31

you got to do it. Yeah, that's fine. Why not? Yeah, the time we came up here in an ice like, I think Guthrie canard was playing bass with us. And he was riding with some other people in another car. And their car like, slid off the road or something on the way up here and nearly killed them all. They got here. They were all like visibly shaken like we we really almost died on the way here. Yeah. So and then I think Aaron germer and I went up to hoots Bob after that and played the next night and the snow was like a foot or two deep up in Amarillo.

Unknown Speaker 11:04

Yeah,

Jacob Furr 11:05

it's weird. And there was nobody there either. like everybody's like, forget this. We're not coming out. And

Thomas Mooney 11:09

that's what's crazy is like they're as strange as it sounds. Lubbock and Amarillo are not that far apart. But they get like, their their weather problems are drastically worse than ours. Yeah, like they'll get way more snow though. Get ice more tornado kind of weather. Just I don't know. I

Jacob Furr 11:31

mean, there's nothing in between the two that would like stop the weather from coming down here. It just kind of blows through there, I

Thomas Mooney 11:37

guess. I don't know. I'm assuming something like that. But yeah, they just get the whole lot worse. I'm kind of glad like, we don't have for him. But of course here in Lubbock. I'm sure it's everywhere in Texas. Like the the drivers who just can't drive. Yeah, it's Yes. No. Like they. I feel like there's only two kinds of drivers. in Lubbock. When it comes to bad weather. It's the ones that go like five miles an hour. Yeah. Or the ones that go 50.

Jacob Furr 12:04

Yeah. And no, in between. It's like in Fort Worth, but like Fort Worth, there's never any snow. It's just like, oh, it got it rained, and then it got really cold. So it might be icy. And so everybody just kind of loses their collective minds and just starts doing all sorts of things that they wouldn't do otherwise, and that they know not to do, but they're still gonna do it. And you can just hear sirens all around. Like where I live at. I'm kind of surrounded by a bunch of the interstates. And it's just like, every time it ISIS, it's just constant sirens. 24 hours. Yeah. While it's still ISIS. What is wrong with y'all?

Thomas Mooney 12:37

Yeah, you lived here. Like, you know how there's no, virtually no drainage system? No. So when it does rain here,

Jacob Furr 12:45

it loads for and I used to drive that Volkswagen bus when I lived up here and it had rust holes in the front floorboard. So whenever it would rain, and I go through those like drainage spots, you know, it would just it would like it was like a stream that would just shoot up. It didn't like bubble through, like shot up into the car and like hit the roof and came back down. Jesus. Yeah, I had to warn people about it. If it was there anything else like just put the put the floor mat over that hole and it'll keep the water from coming into?

Thomas Mooney 13:11

Yeah, man. That's that's rough. That was fun. You know, when when they built Marshall sharp freeway? I don't think they anticipated this, but like the right by the stadium? Like, oh, yeah, it's really bad. It floods. Yeah, it was real bad over there. Well, they don't know how I guess they don't know. Like,

Jacob Furr 13:32

is it is this that they can't put drainage in or they just didn't put drainage in? Because like you think like, okay, it's real flat. Like maybe there's just nowhere for the water to go. And civil engineers are just like, sorry, we're just gonna have to deal with it. Like we can't, you know,

Thomas Mooney 13:44

yeah, dig a reservoir under the city for all the rainwater to go into. I'm assuming it has something to do with just like, it rains only a handful of times a year. So like it. Just kind of do this. Yeah, cost wouldn't be.

Jacob Furr 13:57

Yeah. just deal with it when it happens. Yeah. But the problem is when it happens if it rains so hard, like it doesn't just sprinkle it doesn't rain lightly. It just like pours for hours. Yes. Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 14:09

it was and then people. It's like they don't they don't understand that. In that area. You can't do that. Yeah. So don't you have to exit a couple of exits before? Yeah, that area on Marsh is really only that one area. Yeah. And I know people are gonna be really probably bored about this conversation. It's alright,

Jacob Furr 14:29

but it's something that happens. It's things you need to know about Lubbock. That's what we're titling this section.

Thomas Mooney 14:33

Yeah. People were just like, continue to drive through it. And I don't know if it's because like, they don't understand. Like, they think oh, shit people behind me. I can't just stop. No, or if it's that, well, I've got the baddest fucking Troy block and I'm gonna make it through here.

Jacob Furr 14:50

I just don't see people that live here. don't anticipate that happening and find another way to go. Like, they're driving. They're like, I can beat the rain. Yeah, like maybe that's the thought like I can get there. It hasn't rained that much yet. You know, like I can still get through that spot that I know floods every single time it rains. Yeah. Anyways, perhaps. I don't know, it's sorry to get on your podcast and talk about weather.

Thomas Mooney 15:14

Weather it's fun I guess. That's what like, I don't know. I always give, okay, quick story, my grandmother, she obviously has Facebook and she, I guess she she had a friend on there who she had known through like, you know, email Jane kind of shit. So they were friends. And every once in a while they would just message back like, it's got down to 27 in Iowa today, like wherever. And like, I'd go over there and just be like, are you? What do you do like your reply? Like what the weather is here? Yeah, this is what we do. It's

Jacob Furr 15:54

really like this. It's important. Well, at some point, you end up that's the only thing you can talk about, you know, you're just like, nothing else is just going really going on. So I mean, the weather's always happening. So it's, it's always a conversation starter.

Thomas Mooney 16:06

Yeah. Typically for me, I think it's like a conversation. Yeah, just did we started well, here. Yeah, I mean, just be

Jacob Furr 16:18

like, if that's like how you brush people off, you're just like, so. That rain today, huh? And they're just like, Oh, this guy doesn't want to talk to me right now. I get it man. Like, yeah. It's a very like West Texas thing to do. Like very polite. But also like, you know, this is the end of the conversation.

Thomas Mooney 16:34

Yeah. Well, I know like a lot of obviously here. It's wind. That wind, wind. It's Yeah, it's always blowing. never stops. I guess. Like, it's not necessarily always the conversation in bars. But like, what are the bar conversations that bother you the most? That bother me the most? Like you. Obviously you spend time and yeah.

Jacob Furr 16:57

The one that bothers me the absolute most is anybody like talking about themselves really, really loudly? Like, that's the one that just makes me want to leave? Whatever place I'm in. Yeah, like as soon as like, even if the person's not even close to me, like if they're at the other end of the bar, and I can just hear them talking about themselves as loud as possible. It's just like, I don't I can't handle this right now. I don't want to be in here. Yeah, I don't know why that bothers me so much, but just like, yeah, so that's number one on the list is the what do you guys sound like? Is that like up there? That's a good one. Yeah, I don't usually. We always get what kind of music do you guys play? Yeah, like, I don't know. I mean, yeah, that's, that's a good one. And then I just say, made you see the weather out there today. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 17:44

I always felt like we the What kind of music do you play? Question is, like, there's no right answer. No, it's like never. Because you can be really, really broad and just say, I play Americana or folk.

Jacob Furr 17:57

Yeah, but nobody knows what Americana mean. Yeah, well, the minute you say that you've become this like elitist that they just don't want to talk to you anymore. It's like

Thomas Mooney 18:04

or you can say like this, like very, where you're using 10 descriptive words. Describe it. And then like, they're not really paying attention, either. Yeah. Honestly, I think like what it is, they just want to know, do you play country?

Jacob Furr 18:15

Yeah, that's it. Yeah. That's all they want to hear is like, yeah, we're a country cover band. And they just got Okay, cool. Yeah, that's Yeah, baby rock and roll, though. Haven't even that, like you'll say, like rock and roll. And they'll be like, what kind? I don't know, man. Like, it's got leopard. Yeah, it's got electric guitar and bass and drums in it. I've just started saying, my kind of music when they ask, and it's really, that really turns people off really quickly. But it gets the point across.

Thomas Mooney 18:40

Did you uh, I guess like a couple of weeks back. The there's a Facebook thing where people were sharing like their 10 records that they listened to. in high school.

Jacob Furr 18:50

Yeah, I did it. I mean, I didn't do it. But I saw it. Yeah. Cuz I was embarrassed to do it. So well.

Thomas Mooney 18:56

I was talking with my mom about it. And she hadn't seen it before or seen it. And so I was telling her about it. She was like, man, I want to wonder what your your uncle would but like I have, obviously an uncle. And I said, Well, he would probably like if you just ask them what his 10 favorite records are all time, it would still be that you can just put that as is. Yeah, the 10 Records he listened to in high school because he's still listening to like the 80s metal stuff. Just the same stuff. Yeah, yeah. And I find that so weird. How like you would not ever,

Jacob Furr 19:31

like listen to anything else. Yeah, actually, I think I don't know that. That's so weird. Like I've, I've started to think that about myself that like, nothing beyond a certain point can inspire me. Like, or like I can, like, get emotionally attached to anymore. And I've had a really big problem recently with like, Is it because I'm getting older, and I've just kind of like, had that moment in time where it was like that was the moment where I was most open to music, or to new music and to these emotions and so that's all that will matter to me. Because I've been playing music just long enough that it's become like, I'm just bored with music because I hear it all the time. So yeah, it's really, I would defend your uncle and say it's kind of hard to listen to any music sometimes like I would be, I would be in his camp because

Thomas Mooney 20:15

I do get that like, these last couple of years, I have felt that too is like, man, am I getting old? Just because like, my example was turning it to I can't think of what the damn station is on XM, but it's like 35, which is like the indie rock station. Okay. And then like, most of the time, I'm like, I don't know who this is. Yeah, I don't know who this is. Okay, I know who beach houses are like, Oh, that's the shins are still making music.

Jacob Furr 20:38

Yeah, even that, like I can't listen to any of it. Like, I'll try to listen to like, beach house, or like, Who are some of the other like indie bands that have come out?

Thomas Mooney 20:49

See, there's a couple records that have come out this month that I've really liked, really like bands that I used to like, as well

Jacob Furr 20:56

see, I think I'm at the point where I just like, I like the work from the musicians that were important to me back in the day. And like, what are they doing now? That means more to me than like, what's the new thing that anybody that people are telling me to listen to? And I don't know why I feel like I think longevity is really important to me. So if somebody has been making music for a long time, I would rather listen to what they have to say because they've been doing it. And they've been thinking about it. And they've been thinking about life and all these kinds of things for a lot longer than the new kid on the block that just put out the first record. Yeah, it's like, well, I don't really like let's see, if you come out with three and then I'll, you know, turn around pay attention to you. So, but that's kind of for the most part that works. But sometimes I kind of miss stuff because of that. Like, I didn't listen to john fullbright at the very beginning because I was just like, got Townes Viagra, he's got an acoustic guitar, right said songs about himself. Awesome. Like, yeah, so does every so do we all you know, like, that's every that's all of us. So big book. But then it took me like, two or three years, then I finally listened that record that first one and I was like, Oh my god, what did I miss here? Like, how did I blow this off? So I don't know. I don't know that it's an exact science. But I definitely have a hard time listening to new music. Yeah, these days. I mean,

Thomas Mooney 22:15

for me, I think it's it's more like the indie rock stuff that I have a hard time getting into new stuff. Yeah. Like, I can still listen to a lot of for lack of a better term, like the old country, the folk guys. Yeah. are still like, up and coming. Yeah, for sure. I don't know, I'll invest in listening to their stuff a lot quicker than I will. A new I don't know, like the next spoon or something, you know? Yeah, sure. Whoever that is, I

Jacob Furr 22:45

think, Well, I think we live in such a, I mean, we live in such a like, one hit wonder. 15 seconds of fame sort of society that it's like, oh, this is the this is the band that paid the right publicist to put them up on everything. And so we should all listen to him now. And it's like, yeah, okay, well, let's see if they can like stick around past this, like, two days on Twitter that, you know, everybody's talking because I mean, that's all I follow on like Twitter, and all that kind of stuff is music, blogs and stuff like that, just to see what's coming out. And so often, you'll see the same person put up on all these different things. And it's like, oh, I think somebody is just trying to sell this to me like, Yeah, I don't know if this is actually good. You know, I don't trust this. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 23:26

You know, like Ryan Adams, he's got like, a new record coming out pretty soon.

Jacob Furr 23:29

Yeah. Right. Like, but he's been doing stuff forever. So I'm like, yeah, I'll absolutely listen to that. Like, no doubt, you know, see, endless it was sad to hear it. And I know, I'm gonna love

Thomas Mooney 23:39

that first song that he released. It's very like rock and roll. It's which one Oh, the D like, do you still love me? Yeah, that's right. The first time I listened to it, I was like, man, I do not like this. And then dismount. Like, maybe like two weeks ago or something like that. I was going back through and listening to the, to the new singles because he's released like two, I guess since then. Yeah. The last one was this one called like Doomsday. He I think he released it last Friday.

Jacob Furr 24:09

Yeah, I think so. I saw that one. Yeah, I haven't listened to any of them yet, though. But I went back and I was like, Holy,

Thomas Mooney 24:15

this is I don't know how to grow or on me. This is good. Okay. Yeah, I'm good with this. Yeah. But

Jacob Furr 24:21

that's I mean, that's, that's somebody that's been making music for a while, he doesn't have to come out. He, there's no pressure on him to make like, the thing that's gonna catch you right off the bat. Like he can just kind of make whatever he wants to. And because he's a mature musician, it might take us the listener a while to get into it. Because you haven't been in the studio every day for the past, you know, 20 years doing stuff like yeah, so it takes a little while to kind of wrap your head around, like what actually is going on here. But then once you do, you're like, oh, man, yeah, this is such high quality and high level, you know, writing and musicianship like, this is not just easy stuff. Like Yeah, takes a minute to think about, you know,

Thomas Mooney 24:56

I think like the thing with him too, is I'm sure those I'm trying to think of some other people were similar, who I guess like, they really only been making. I guess like, Adams has been making music since the mid 90s. With whiskeytown all the way up to now. Yeah, for sure. But he's had like, basically, I think he's had. What I'm saying is he's had more, more music come out in a shorter period of time than a whole lot of artists. Yeah, for sure. I mean, like, yeah, if you think back at

Jacob Furr 25:28

Well, yeah, he's super prolific. Like, that's all he does is just write and record and write and record, right. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 25:33

Or like, like, take, like, take someone like Springsteen? Yeah, he's not he was never putting out a record every year. No, you know, but Ryan Adams, he put fucking three records out. And he I think 1006. And

Jacob Furr 25:46

yeah, he does. Well, he just does stuff to interest him to like the 89 record and like, all kinds of stuff. Like, he's just curious. He's just a curious musician, which is, I think leads to that kind of prolific writing, like, as long as you're curious about stuff. I don't know. It's just different because it's not to say Springsteen isn't curious or anybody else that doesn't do it isn't curious. It's just it's a it's curious in a different way. I guess. Like some some people are working on like their voice, like, this is who I am. And this is what I want my like, lyrical and musical legacy to be and then other people just like, like Adams are just more like, I just want to enjoy as many things as possible and explore as many possible sounds. And, you know, it's two different ways to get to it. But I think it's, yeah, I think that's what it comes down to for him. It's just a sense of curiosity. That's paid off.

Thomas Mooney 26:39

Yeah. I don't think I kind of like that was Conor Oberst. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, same dude. I've really listened to any of his nice stuff in a while.

Jacob Furr 26:49

I haven't listened to the new record either. I haven't listened anything since Cassadaga actually. Yeah. Which is a long time ago.

Thomas Mooney 26:56

I know. That was like brown eyes. Yeah, that was Yeah, that was Brian eyes still. Yeah, they're country records. Yeah, that's what that was like old country record. Yeah, it was Cassadaga. I think it's kind of funny. Is that, even? To me? That's the one of the things like, yeah, everyone gets old and

Jacob Furr 27:12

in some Asian Country, Country stuff, because some of us have just jumped the gun and gotten too old.

Thomas Mooney 27:19

Yeah. You know, it's just Yeah, I just started out with it. Yeah. Because his first couple solo records are all kinda all country ish.

Jacob Furr 27:27

Yeah, they have they have that element there. Also, just to listen to one. This is a good example of like, stuff that I can't listen to old music, or I can't listen to new music. Because I went on a road trip. Last I think it was this past May, and I put in the story is in the soil lifted, keep your ear to the ground, or whatever that record is. Yeah. And I hadn't listened to it in years, and immediately was taken back to being like 17. And yeah, just hearing that for the first time and be like, what is this like? So experimental, and like, weird soundscapes and songs that end halfway through and all kinds of crazy stuff. And like, I had an emotional experience listening to it again, as a 30 year old man just being like, Man, this is wow, I forgot how emotionally connected I ended this thing. I haven't felt this way about anything that I've listened to. For the past five years. Like Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 28:17

that was that was one of the ones on my 10 Oh, yeah, teenager list. And I'll tell you when I was making that list, I was going through my iTunes trying to like okay, yeah, that's what I okay. Yeah, and I hadn't listened to that record in a long time either. And I was just, you know, going through the the song titles It was like, oh, man, I forgot about that song. Yeah. And honestly, like how the songs are they just go on like one song begins abruptly and another one begins that kind of shit and you know the very beginning of that record and really the beginning of all of his records did not start out with like a song straight off

Jacob Furr 29:00

it was like a it's like some Yeah, weird recording or story or something happening Yeah. And I was just thinking like, just a cool idea.

Thomas Mooney 29:08

Yeah, it is. Yeah. I was thinking like I first heard that record I probably wasn't like musically mature enough to understand like, you know all the all of the little interesting things about it. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's a pretty heavy album cuz and I did listen to it a fucking shit ton. Yeah. And obviously it's to me that's like one of the early bright eyes and the National for me are like the most they put up like the most amount of grower records Yeah, I just

Jacob Furr 29:44

I it would take I've never really given the national a chance. I should probably try that.

Thomas Mooney 29:48

Yeah, I really I love the national. Okay, I highly suggest, but like it's all those records like it took time to invest. Yeah, invest time to really dig in. Understand what they're trying to Yeah, for sure. And what's funny though is I was talking to a friend about this was I'd put lifted on there and he said not on wide awake. It's morning. And I said another broad eyes record. Yeah. Which is no like, because honestly like that wouldn't have been genuine lifted was because also lifted had like lover I don't want to Yeah, love and yeah so strangely like that was like the most iconic song and also in the middle of a record that was like kind of Hard. Hard to digest. Yeah, for sure. You know? Yes. It's such a weird Yeah, I

Jacob Furr 30:38

feel you on that. Yeah, I think the same thing because I feel like I'm wide awake. It's morning was like later on, like, Yeah, and that's kind of his, for me. That's his, like, peak record, like, that's like, the best Conor Oberst ever could do and ever would do. Like, that's just like, it's the most succinct the most beautiful, like, that's it, you know? And but I feel like this, you know, keep lifted or whatever is. It's a good it would be a good high school record, because it's like, you're not quite developed enough. Like you're still like working through all these like things. And then you finally get wide awake. It's morning like, okay, like in when you're, you know, junior year of college and you finally hear that you're like, Ah, yes, I have life figured out.

Thomas Mooney 31:21

Yeah, I remember listening to one awake. It's morning. Like literally in the middle of the night. Oh, yeah. I listened to it all the time as a 21 year old insane. Like at three o'clock in the morning, like sitting in my room just like, man. Like this is it?

Jacob Furr 31:40

Yeah, no, really? Yeah. No, it was that's a record that I'm like, that's that's like a striving for record. Like you just go. I want to write that album someday. Like, yeah, even if I know it's a straight up rip off copy of that album. Like, I want to know that. I'm good enough to copy that album because it's just so perfect. Yeah, like, it's good. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 31:59

Emmylou Harris is on.

Jacob Furr 32:00

Everybody's on it. Guillain Welch's on it. Like there's all kinds of people on that album.

Thomas Mooney 32:06

Jim James, isn't? Isn't he on? I

Jacob Furr 32:08

think Jim James is on it. Yeah. Well, I need to look it up. Yeah, but see, there's all kinds of folks on there. Yeah. But yeah, that's a good one. Got that's a good record.

Thomas Mooney 32:18

I think what song is it off of there? That he? He played? One of the late night shows? I remember. Oh, was that when he did when the President talks to God? Well, that was or no, no, when he did, uh, that's that was a no, but he did another song when he did

Jacob Furr 32:33

Craig Kilborn or Craig Ferguson. And, and they destroyed the trumpet at the end.

Thomas Mooney 32:38

I don't remember that part. But I remember like, what I remember what song it was, but he was like, the songs dedicated to our president. And at the time was bush and our and the governor of California for their, like, creepy fascist agendas, and I can't hear what he said. He said something about like, there is it wrote a joy.

Jacob Furr 33:01

That's the last song that I came here with. He was the one where he's like, Let's fuck it up. Please make some noise. Right?

Thomas Mooney 33:06

Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's what it is, I think but he is like, you know, this song is dedicated to the president united states and the governor of California for their creepy fascist agendas and like biceps or something like that. Actually, oh my god, this is this is rock and roll, I guess. I don't know. That's a weird. Bow Connor. Yeah. The voice of a generation. I know. Like that's, that's one of those guys were like, the voice of a very angsty generation. I know. It's the it's the I remember having conversations about this with people because obviously, I've always been this kind of like, goober when it comes to music like Who's that? Who's your Mount Rushmore? Like I've ever your friends. You're just like, I don't know. I just listened to music man like Conor Oberst. Ryan Adams, Elliott Smith, and I don't even know. Elliott Smith, I

Jacob Furr 34:08

was really into Elliott, so that was always a good one. I didn't really get into him till later, though. Like, and even then it was too. I don't know. I think I enjoyed more production on things sometimes. Yeah. So I think my my version of Elliott Smith, like that style was the mountain goats. Sheep listened to them.

Thomas Mooney 34:27

Yeah, that song here and love it.

Jacob Furr 34:28

I did, too. We were I think we were at we've talked about this. You and I were at that show at the same Jake's Oh, no,

Thomas Mooney 34:34

this is a different show. Oh, no.

Jacob Furr 34:35

I went the first time they ever came to love it. They came to Jake's Okay, I wasn't at that show. Okay, I think the numerators open for him is a really weird show.

Thomas Mooney 34:44

Yeah, I can imagine like

Jacob Furr 34:47

john Darnell was like sound checking. And then he just started singing and I was like, who's this guy like, wearing like dead jeans with a polo shirt tucked in, like, what is going on here? And then they started and I was just like, oh my god. This is greatest stuff have ever heard like what is happening

Thomas Mooney 35:02

right now? That's, that's another band has kind of had like a massive output.

Jacob Furr 35:08

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. But that's straight. That's again that's curiosity like john Darnell is such a curious writer like

Thomas Mooney 35:15

when I saw him play was down the street on. I guess this is Buddy Holly. I guess it was on tech, Texas. This place is an indie kind of venue. I can't think of the name of it. I saw midlake play there too. It's here. Yeah. That's another good record. I can't remember who else anyways, but they played on Halloween one year. And who was it? Who opened by khaki King? I think that's he opened okay. You know, she's like, super badass. Yeah. and stuff. That's crazy. And I think it was so crazy to about like that mountain goat show is that I never really before then thought of them as like kind of being like punk rock. Yeah. And like they played in it was like, punk rock. Yeah, stuff. Yeah, you know,

Jacob Furr 36:04

it definitely had that vibe. early on. They came up with some stuff later, more recently. That's like, definitely more like, streamlined and produced and like thought out. That's really but it's it's really beautiful. Like, it's incredible. They're so talented that they can do both things. Like you just go from recording into a tape player into like, okay, we're gonna go studio and make this full sounding album. That's unbelievably gorgeous and well written. And, yeah, they're so good. Yeah, I love that band.

Thomas Mooney 36:31

I had a friend. His name's Carson. big, tall dude. And he kept on yelling out for them to play the song called Ethiopians, which is like a song they'd only recorded like one time on like an old daytrotter session. And it's like, that is such a fucking Don't do that. Don't be that guy. But like, I was like, Oh, it's kind of funny cuz we're

Jacob Furr 36:58

20 years old or so. You know. And at the most hipster show. The band called The mountain goats. They recorded to a tape player. Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 37:06

it's a I forgot about that show though. It was so cool, though. Because it was Halloween. Yeah, some dude. I remember. He was kind of like dressed up like Morrissey. He had like the flowers and shit. God. Oh, yeah. All these like Texas. Music guys, we're gonna be like, I'm going to kick back. Yeah.

Jacob Furr 37:28

So sorry, should we talk about something like tougher or? Yeah, like oilfield related or? Yeah. So do you change? truck related? I changed my oil or they didn't just didn't touch my oil. drive an 89 Camry pickup truck. I got I got a pickup truck. Oh, see? You're closer than I am. Yeah. Got boots on. I live in the most hipster neighborhood in Fort Worth. Yeah, I live like two blocks from a coffee shop and like craft ice cream place and craft barbecue place. So yeah, I'm pretty much no to hipster into things. I could never really do like the coffee shop thing.

Thomas Mooney 38:07

What like work there? Well, no, like, just go and like get a coffee and sit there and hang out. Like just hang out? Why not? I don't know. Like, I'm just like, I could never in school. Like you just bring my laptop and work on it. Or like bring a book.

Jacob Furr 38:22

Oh, man. I couldn't do like outside of there. Honestly, I just get up by myself. I can't do it. Like my mind wanders too much. From a group of people. I can totally focus on like, just stick to the plan. Yeah, unless somebody wants to talk then it's a whole nother ballgame. But yeah, for the most part. Yeah. If I'm by myself. School works over with like, it's not happening.

Thomas Mooney 38:41

Yeah, it's Yeah, I just have to be alone. I just in my room. So you just by myself. I can't do like the not that I'm in school right now. But like, still like,

Jacob Furr 38:53

I can feel like we've been talking about all these records from when we were like, in school that now we're like, pretending we're in school right now. Yeah. Yeah, man. I just don't know about the coffee shop thing. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 39:04

No, it's just

Jacob Furr 39:07

every time I come to Lubbock, though, I feel like that, like I'm going like back in time. Like Chris, or Clint, the drummer that's playing with me tonight was we were coming here. He's like, so you went to school here, right? It's like, Yeah, he's like, is it nostalgic to come back. I was like, it's a little weird. Every, like, I come back all the time, like, a lot. And every time I'm here, I'm like, it is a little strange to be like, I feel like I want to go do something I would do in college or, you know, like, something that I didn't do in college. You know, like, go go Be brave or something. Yeah. Not just hide in my room and listen to Braddock.

Thomas Mooney 39:39

Yeah. You know, like, like, Sam from Quaker city Nighthawk Yeah. He went to school one time we were talking about this. He went to school here too. Yeah. And he said like they he would play like JB acoustic like yeah, music. Oh, yeah. To do and I was like, man, I didn't realize that was Yeah, there was like, yeah, there's a horror like you Alright, guys, we're doing it because really like no one really does that I think

Jacob Furr 40:03

Metzler even used to like Dave Metzler because I found I was going through a bunch of boxes of old CDs a couple of weeks ago. And I put it I don't think I put it up on the internet. I think it just sent it to him. But I found this like, this compilation CD that was called, like, the Lubbock sound or something. And it was like all the Songwriters from like, when I was in college in like, 2006 so like, Filkins is on there. And then who else is getting Joe Morrow?

Thomas Mooney 40:32

We're gonna have to Dropbox it to me. Yeah,

Jacob Furr 40:34

I'm gonna have to find it. But I mean, they're, the songs are all awful. Like, it's like, it's all like everybody's like, first efforts. Yeah, but then Dave Metzler is on there too. But there's this picture of him like holding a flower and looking like super cute and like, I think I sent a picture of it to him and he was like, Don't ever show that. I've ever talked about that to anybody, like so embarrassed. And I was like, it's all right. Like we all did stuff like that. Yeah. See today? I think I had a song It was like, do you like my hair cut or something back then? Like just stupid, stupid stuff. Yeah. childish things. Yeah. But now I'm a man and I put away childish things.

Thomas Mooney 41:09

Today I put out this piece about this. RFU remember it there's this a competition called wind farm It was like wind farm Volume One there's not been a Volume Two since it came out like in oh seven it had like restore cowboys on it. And like one Wolf and god yes. Yeah. had like waiting to derail Yeah, I was like marcomms all country band. Okay. Before one Wolf and like, had like manna shires on it, like from her first record?

Jacob Furr 41:41

Yeah. That's just song swap with Daniel Markham either night. Really? Friends? Yeah, he he and I and Jake pal check all got together and did a song Swanton he played. I taught the last time we did it. I told him I was like, man, I used to go see you when you were in one wolf back in the day, and he was like, Oh, I

was I was a

jerk to you. No, no, no. He's like, Okay. Not always. Not always. No, no, he never was he I never said hi to him was the thing. Like I never thought I just thought they were the coolest thing ever. And you'll see him play when I was here. And then uh, but this last time we played together. He I don't know why he did it. But he broke out like a one of the one or songs the when I think about the things you said I want to put an icepick through your head. That song? Yeah. I was just like, yeah. The greatest thing ever. Like, yeah, thank you for playing this.

Thomas Mooney 42:28

Like, I remember some of my favorite shows were like one walkthroughs for cowboy bills. Yeah, or like eskalene Did you ever listen to airplane?

Jacob Furr 42:39

Yes. Can you hear us? Yeah, yeah. How can you hear so it's one of the ones on the compilation. Oh, really? Yeah. I remember that guy. Cali. Yeah, he's, he's down.

Thomas Mooney 42:48

We moved down to Austin for a while. And then he moved back up here. And I think like, last time I talked to him. He was working on like a record or an EP. Hmm. But something that's good. He was really good. Yeah, he that when that record came out that self titled one yeah. He had already had, like, you know, 20 or more songs ready to go. Yeah. And I guess like it was one of those things where I'm gonna move down to Austin and try and do something down there and then like, it just never did. But then like he just had, you know, he has all these songs in the can. Yes. I don't know if anything's recorded,

Jacob Furr 43:25

but I'm thinking of another guy now. Eli? I can't not Eli young. On nevermind, there was another dude that was up here at the same time. That was like, on kidney Paul Harris is love like they were both like yeah, the next big thing to come out a little bit back then. And then nothing ever like

Thomas Mooney 43:42

Yeah. Oh, you're probably think of like Levi Smith.

Jacob Furr 43:45

Levi Smith. That's one thing enough. Yeah, that guy got he was good. Yeah, man. Whatever happened to him? Do you know anything about it? No. I know. I know Justin Lance probably might.

Thomas Mooney 43:56

Yeah, cuz he saw him and Micah used to play with him all the time. From what I got is like they, I guess like there's a couple records done that are not necessarily like on iTunes or anything like that. I know. Like there's I found one on Amazon. And like somebody was like, trying to sell it for like 50 bucks at all right?

Jacob Furr 44:18

No way. Good stuff to leave. I was really good. Like, yeah, man. He had a good voice. He could play guitar like a crazy

Thomas Mooney 44:24

person. Well, like he did like record like a really like a record, but it was supposed to be like a big one. Yeah. And like it just never came out. Okay, yeah. But yeah, I don't know. It's just like, to me, What's so strange? Is that like 10 years ago, basically a completely different scene. Oh, yeah, sure, sure. It's just kind of, not necessarily like washed away or like, but it's just been changed over. Yeah, it's totally different. Now. Like, you don't

Jacob Furr 44:59

hear about people that are playing that kind of because they weren't playing Texas countries. They weren't playing anything that resembled what's going out of fear. Now, back in those days were big. Like, I remember leave. I was like, the jam up here. Yeah. And I mean, I never once again, like, if I could go back to college and do that all over again, I would go out to more shows and see stuff. But yeah, I was a timid person. So I didn't do it. Yeah. But, uh, I mean, I imagined that they were like, everything that I heard about him was that they were just like, everything to everybody up here. And then 10 years later, like, nobody really plays that kind of music here. Yeah, anymore. You know, I mean, I guess they do, but they're not, you know, the, the big name in town or whatever. So,

Thomas Mooney 45:40

I mean, like, take like a band like for sure. cowboys. Right. Yeah. I think like one of the big things about if they were like the spearhead of the of that time. Yeah. Because like it's all it was all like all country stuff. For sure. They were, in my opinion, more influenced by like, records that they got to the record store. Yeah, for sure. college radio. Yeah. Then. Well, they were leaving from like Texas.

Jacob Furr 46:05

Yeah. Well, they were big, big outside of Lubbock. Like they weren't even big. Just here, you know? Yeah. So yeah, surely they had lots of influences and lots of Yeah, you know, input going on.

Thomas Mooney 46:17

You know, like, basically like whiskeytown or 97th. cornbread and like, like that kind of stuff. Yeah. But if you think about it now. like nobody really playing now is doing that kind of stuff. Except for the almighty sevens because there's still Yeah, for sure. Everything. Another person on that wind farm was Charlie shafter. Oh, yeah. And that's one of the things too, I was I wrote about was like, how, really like Charlie shafter Amanda shires, Markham and Anthony Garcia. I don't know if you know, I don't know, Anthony. But like, he has like a band now called outlier. Okay. And it's like, they're really fucking good. It's, it has like fiddle. And he plays like piano and guitar and shit like that. And it's very, in ways like very, like, spaghetti western, but also very, like, they can do some like real classical kind of sound. Okay. They put out a record called public domain last year. And it's just basically public, like, you know, traditional songs that are like old. I think like, what basically on there was a couple of originals. Some Western swing stuff, like Bob wills kind of shit. Some Irish traditional kind of stuff. And some like Mexican mariachi Spanish stuff. That's awesome. And it blends so well. But it's so fucking cool. But like, basically, I guess, like the big point was like, other than those four people, there, none of that no one else is really doing the exact same thing. Yeah, for sure. You know, like shafter still obviously going under his name. Yeah. And Amanda is but like, even Markham morphed from two bands into just Oh, yeah, sure. and stuff, you know. Yeah.

Jacob Furr 48:14

And his own stuff is totally different now than what you know, I would have ever imagined at becoming an agent. And the crazy thing is when I started playing music in DFW was that he was known and had stuff out. And I had no idea that it was the same person that I used to listen to hear for a long time. And then I finally I don't remember how it came together. I finally realized like, oh, let's do that. Cuz this guy from one wolf like, yeah, how did I not figure this out? And but sonically, I would have never figured it out. Because it's not the same at all, you know, what he's doing now is totally different. And I don't know, in some ways more interesting. Yeah. You know, it's, it's Richard develop,

Thomas Mooney 48:57

if you look back at like, waiting to derail, which is Yeah, named after a whiskeytown song. It's like, straight up like, Yeah, all country. Yeah, like that style. And that's one of the things or if, if you were told that you just be like, what, there's no way no, yeah. But like, it was good. But like, also, I always say, what he's doing now is obviously a little bit more creative on his end, for sure, you know, not like that waiting to derail records. Not bad. But you can obviously be like a it's a little paint by the numbers kind of stuff. Yeah. Not as creative.

Jacob Furr 49:33

Yeah. But it's like it's all it's all early efforts. Yeah. But like so much that stuff that we're talking about from like 2006 or 2004 to 2008. period is like, there were so many people that were starting at that point. And I know that I was just a listener at that point in Washington State and so I thought everything was the coolest stuff I've ever heard. And then you know, not realizing who the thrift store cowboys were or who Amanda shires really necessarily was back then And until now go now, you know, they've all been working on it so hard for so long and achieve such levels of like, I don't know, notoriety, I suppose that now you listen to what they're doing now and go, Oh, that same person that I I remember hearing that back then and you go back and listen, then you go, Wow, they've really grown a lot like Yeah. So yeah, it's cool. I think that's a cool thing, that they're still that they're those people that have kind of moved on and kind of grown and still do it. You know? Yeah. Like, I don't know. So many people fell off the map.

Thomas Mooney 50:34

Well, that's, yeah, I mean, like, obviously, that's just music in general. The whole like, what happened to that band? You can go back to the the high school. Yeah, band and talk about that. Yeah. I know. Like, I don't know if you know, Jr. He's a he was a radio DJ here in Lubbock. But then he moved down to College Station. And he, I guess, probably, like, two weeks ago, he on Facebook asked like, what are your favorite bands who broke up in like, the last 10 years that are from Texas? And he was meaning like Texas country kind of stuff. Yeah. And I, you know, I said a couple of bands. And I was like, Yeah, can we list like the ones that we wish would?

Jacob Furr 51:22

Just do it? No. Why is it that's, that's so against the rules and against the rules. There's no outlet for anybody to be really honest, though, is the problem these days? Yeah. That's a shame.

I just see so much stuff where it's like, unless you're hanging out somewhere with Charlie stout, then, yeah, the honesty is all that's required. But it's like, Charlie, can you dial it back? But what I just find, like, where it's any kind of criticism is like, you're just hating on them. Yeah, exactly. I'm not just I didn't say like, your song sucks. Because you as a person sucks.

I have like, the reason I don't think this song is good. Or it could be better is because of this, this and this, for sure. And you're acting like I'm saying, well, that's everything in our culture, though. Like, man, there was. You have time for story? Yeah. Okay, so there's an NPR station in DFW. And their playlist is, okay, like, it's pretty good. I like their playlist, it's alright. But they don't play like a whole lot of local stuff. Like, they just played like, you know, five to 10 tracks of the same people all the time, which is fine. It's whatever I'm not criticizing like this, the whole point of the story is that I'm not criticizing them, right. So the other day, though, they, the program manager from the station, posted that it's time she said, some like it's time for DFW to step up and represent your scene by submitting your music to the Tiny Desk concert series, the video thing on YouTube or whatever. And I just innocently commented on her post, like, you know, it would really add, the thing that would actually help us is if our names were on your playlist, because that playlist gets picked up by other NPR stations. So like just telling us to submit to this other contest. It's just not it's not helping anybody like you better if you just put her name on your playlist once or twice, right? And man, the hatred like, I mean, I just got there was one guy in particular, that was just like, why are you hating cakes? t man? Yeah, I bet you don't even go to shows. I don't even know who you are. Like, I bet you don't even listen to music like that. And I was like, I'm not criticizing the station, like, hold on everybody like in. Like, I'm just offering a suggestion that might make this better for everybody. Yeah. But that's the society we live in. Where is like, if you tell somebody like, Hey, I like what you're doing. This could be better. Like, it instantly becomes me and Screw you. Like, why do you Why are you hating on that band or whatever? It's like, I'm not hating on them and just don't like this thing about what they're doing. Like, yeah, it's just my opinion. Like, yeah.

Thomas Mooney 53:58

What's funny about that story is like you saying, hey, this could help. I don't even know who you are.

Jacob Furr 54:05

And that's kind of like the point. I know, that was like, I haven't said at one point, I commented back I was like, Man, you just proved my point. Like, you literally like, I'm not even going to talk to you about like, how much I played music in Dallas Fort Worth, like, you just proved my point that you don't know. And that's arrogant. That sounds really arrogant. But it's true. Like, yeah, you don't know who I am. Like, I I play all over the place like,

Thomas Mooney 54:26

and if like they played your song and put you on that list. He

Jacob Furr 54:30

would immediately be like, Oh, man, I'm that dude's biggest fan like he's on cake. See, I go to all the shows. Yeah, but it just, we the point of that story is not necessarily the NPR thing. It's it's more that this culture that we live in where your opinions are not allowed, like, and I feel Oh man, I'm about to go off on the deep end. I better stop myself here. It's just kind of scary that opinions aren't allowed, like one way or the other. Like, whether it's a it is you You either have to just love something, or shut up. Yeah, like, and those are your only two options. And it becomes, because if not the way we describe the way we tell everybody things is on the internet. And the internet is such a lynch mob, like, I mean, they just go after whoever they don't agree with. And it's just like, Well, I'm not going to say anything about this, because I don't want to have to deal with all these people for the next, you know, 48 hours blowing up my phone and like threatening my life. Just because I don't like such and such a band. You know, not only

Thomas Mooney 55:30

that, but like on the internet. People say things that they would never say to somebody. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, and like that's the prop. That's one of the massive problems. Yeah, is that you would never really say that to your face. Like, here's a joke.

Jacob Furr 55:46

It's just a joke. Yeah, who the hell, man? Just Who the hell are you, man? You're the worst piece of crap. That's, I don't mean, I hope you die. Like just like, what the it's a joke. Like, yeah, it's calm down. Like it's a joke. Like, I don't understand the overreaction to all this stuff. Like, yeah, it's just mind boggling. Yeah. Well, same things happening to Josh weathers right now to like, yeah, I mean, and people that were like, upset that he played at the inauguration. Like today, the Facebook on Fort Worth is just like, going insane. about, like, just hating on people like one dude, literally, a musician in Fort Worth literally tagged a bunch of women today and was like, come over to my house and I'll beat your teeth in while you try to spew your liberal vomit at me. Like, just because they posted something like I can't believe Josh weathers played at the inauguration. Yeah. Who cares what they think about Josh, whether it's playing at the inauguration like, okay, whether you agree with or disagree. It doesn't matter. Like, yeah, why they're like, such violent reactions to everything. Yeah. Calm down.

Thomas Mooney 56:45

My opinion on the Josh weathers thing is one, like, I don't like Trump at all. I mean, I'll say that. I'm very anti Trump. But at the same time, I think that somebody like Josh weathers doesn't have the same luxury as a Springsteen does, right. Yeah, for sure. Springsteen can say no to the President. Yeah. And, you know, what, in four years, if somebody else is elected, he may, you know, to play for sure. He may say, yeah, yeah. This is like one of those, like, how many realistically how many times is Josh weathers gonna be asked to play for the president? Yeah, for sure. Even if you disagree with the politics? What I said is like you're playing for the, the like, the position. Yeah. Playing for the office. person. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So, and that,

Jacob Furr 57:43

which is a totally rational standpoint, like, yeah, that totally makes sense. But you will get lumped into immediately, like, Oh, so you support Donald Trump? And like, yeah, you know, all the all the people that disagree with you would immediately just jump all over you. And it's like, I'm just trying to have a rational conversation with me like, and in 20 years, 30 years.

Thomas Mooney 58:05

Josh is gonna be able to say, Yeah, I played for president, and it's not really gonna matter. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it was. Yeah, whoever. Yeah. Which I think is just like, it's insane. Plus, also, like, I think, like, one of the big problems is that we all just live in our own echo chambers, our own little, absolutely bubbles, right. And so it's like, I find it so funny to like, I'm gonna protest the president by, you know, just like avoiding him at all costs instead of like,

Jacob Furr 58:37

like, instead of just yelling at some random person that has nothing to do with anything like, Yeah, I just wanna engage with it. Like, how hard is that? Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 58:43

I mean, like, I don't know. That's the one thing like I wish that like. I don't know. Don't be afraid. No, no, no. No, expressing an opinion, Tom. Okay, what does he say? Come on, be brave. What? Reason why, it's not necessarily an opinion. I just didn't know if I was gonna be right about this. But it doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Like, you

Jacob Furr 59:04

don't have to be right about everything. Like, that's the thing. everybody's like, Oh, I'm right. And I everything I say has to be right. Nothing can be wrong. Like you're big enough. You can say multitudes

Thomas Mooney 59:13

most likely 90 99% of the time. I always think now like, today is better than it was back in the 60s or the 70s. But I couldn't the one point I wish like there was a little bit more

I guess.

politeness. Yeah, in the world, you know, for sure. And now I'm sure like there was a lot of like non politeness in during

Jacob Furr 59:37

the 60s as well for sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're idealize in the past, but yeah, yeah. Good. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 59:43

But you know what, I'm not sure. Yeah. I just think like, was everyone a little bit more polite back in the day?

Jacob Furr 59:49

I don't know. I mean, I you like to imagine so and my big thing is I worry about like, what causes like, what's, what's the cause of all this like x that everybody's all caught up in like, they I mean, I have people that I can't. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And they're not like mellow and chill dudes like, I just don't I always I've been struggling with like the cause for that for a long time, like the cause of that fear and everybody. That seems to be all around us all the time now, like, until anybody talks about like, I honestly think it's I mean, we're talking about it right now. The

Thomas Mooney 1:00:21

echo chamber. Yeah, for sure. On Facebook, you know what I'm gonna only I honestly, a big part of it, I think is the echo chamber of social media. The Internet in general. Yeah. And like, we don't consume news the same way that, you know, like our parents used to, yeah, like our parents when they grew up. There was three channels. Yeah. Right. So you had to be a little bit more straight down the line? Yeah. You news? Yeah. And now it's like, Well, you know what, I don't like that opinion. I want to go watch msnbc because I agree with that. Yeah. Or, you know, I don't agree with that opinion. I'm gonna go watch Fox News, because that's what I and they're just telling you what you want to hear slewing versus what's probably a more straight line on the news, you know, yeah. And like, so. Yeah, we're, like you're buying into the fear that they're feeding you. Yeah, for sure. Not to go all conspiracy theory. No, no, no, I

Jacob Furr 1:01:15

agree. I agree. I think the thing that I think about it all is, yeah, we buy into it, but I think we buy into it, because we haven't, we haven't evolved enough mentally to be able to handle this technology, because it moves so much faster than it ever has before. Yeah. And it's advanced so much quicker, and our minds just can't handle it. And so we're breaking down into this like tribal stuff. And like rebuilding it all from the ground up, like how do we interact with other humans now? Yeah, that we can do this other sort of interaction that we've never had been able to do before. And so I said, it's like a hopeful thing like that, hopefully, at some point will evolve in the right way mentally, to be able to cope with all of it, because I don't think we're mentally capable of coping with it all right now, but yeah, that makes sense. You know, with the amount of choice and the amount of options like, I don't think our brains can handle it is honestly what's happening. And everybody's just like, glitching out like, just the hard wiring is frying. Yeah. You know, is it you know, the screen just kind of kick? Yeah, for everybody's eyes and nobody was world. Exactly. Yeah. Westworld. Man. We were talking about that on the way up here. Yeah. They said watch all the way through. No. But Clint said that he he was we were talking about potluck, because we were talking about politics on the way up here. Like and it became a conversation about Westworld. And like, yeah, that, you know, people are programmed or whatever. I don't know. Yeah. See all craziness.

Thomas Mooney 1:02:41

As far as politics go. I try and avoid politics and stuff like that, just because it will turn off so many people. But I'm one of the I feel like one of the rare people who is not like afraid to talk about politics, either. Yeah, for sure. I think a lot of people were just like, don't talk about religion, politics. Yeah. And money or you know, shit like that. But you have

Jacob Furr 1:03:03

to approach it with an open mind though. Like, that's the thing is if you can approach politics with an open mind and religion, all that stuff, then Okay, then you can have a conversation about it. Yeah. But it's when you do this, like closed off tribal stuff that it's not going to get anybody anywhere. You're just gonna shut somebody else off. Yeah. Like I just did to you

Thomas Mooney 1:03:19

know, it's just one. No, no, but you know what I mean, though, is like, Yeah, and I think like, I always see on Facebook, a lot of people being like, just tired of politics. Yeah. Why do we have there's so much negativity? Yeah, yada, yada, yada. And a lot of times, I'm just like, Well, I mean, like, politics is important.

I mean, it's Yeah, for sure.

Jacob Furr 1:03:45

I think I don't think they're tired of politics. I think they're tired with the way it's discussed. Yeah. I think that's

Thomas Mooney 1:03:50

definitely part of it. But like, I think like, just talking about important issues is Yeah, like, it's important. It's healthy. Absolutely. But like, Yeah, I would say like, probably talking to people about politics and whatnot. Yeah, in person is a lot better than just tweeting about it.

Jacob Furr 1:04:12

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. coffee shops. Yeah. bars and stuff like that.

Thomas Mooney 1:04:18

What do they call it?

Jacob Furr 1:04:19

So my political opinion on Josh weathers, just in this is a is my opinion was. So does this mean that people stop asking us when we're going to go on the voice and now start asking us when we're gonna play the inauguration. Like, that's like the new like thing to do as a as like a local musician now is like, oh, because local local musicians, you're constantly asked, when you get Have you ever thought about going on the voice and now thank God, it will be something different into like, so are you gonna play the inauguration next? Yeah. Yeah, it's a new goal for local musicians. Yeah. So for fans with local musicians to ask us about so that's the end of my opinion. And

Thomas Mooney 1:05:03

you'll get another beer here. Let's do that. Alright. Okay. It was fun. Thanks, Tom. Yeah, well thank you as well.

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