036: Jamie Lin Wilson

On Episode 036, we are joined by singer-songwriter Jamie Lin Wilson. During this one, we talk about co-writing songs with Evan Felker, her numerous collaborations over the years, singing harmonies on albums, the songwriting process, and what she has in store for the rest of the year.

Interview Transcript

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Thomas Mooney 0:05

Everyone, welcome to episode number 36 of the new slang podcast. I'm Thomas Mooney, the editor in chief of new slang here in Lubbock, Texas. And this week's guest is Jamie Lynn Wilson. She was in Lubbock this earlier this week. On Monday, she was a judge for the finals in the blue light singer songwriter competition. And then on Tuesday, her in some Lubbock, songwriters, Wade parks, Carrie Sweeney and Brandon Adams, they did a real intimate, awesome show at blue light, where instead of playing on the stage, they played basically, right by the bar and it was really like, I think like what Brandon had said was, you know, he'd played Wade Wade's kitchen 1000 times him and Carrie Sweeney, just passing the guitar around. And that's what it felt like for him. Just with a obviously with Jamie there as well. So it was a really, really fun and intimate setting. Hopefully, blue is able to do stuff like that. Or start doing stuff like that in the immediate future. On this episode, me and Jamie, I really don't like to say what like we talked about since you're gonna listen to it, but On this episode, we talk a whole lot about Turnpike troubadours and this is just a shameless plug. If you haven't read my track by track, listening guide of Turnpike troubadours new album, you can do so on wide open country. And yeah, we talk a lot about Turnpike troubadours because Jamie has a really, really great relationship with Evan, they've written a bunch of songs on new record, they wrote the song called Oklahoma stars. So we talk a lot about that and whatnot. Also, I guess just shameless plug. If you didn't listen to last week's episode, that's also with Evan Felker of Turnpike troubadours. So go back and listen to that, subscribe to the nice length podcast, wherever you're listening to it, I'm assuming on iTunes, go ahead and hit subscribe. Go ahead and hit subscribe. Go ahead and give us a review. Whichever you you feel like hopefully five stars. And I guess like something else that's on wide open country now is this little piece that I did on the 806 songwriter retreat. That happened a couple weeks back in Stephenville at Larry Joe Taylor's melody Mountain Ranch and wit I guess like 12 Lubbock songwriters went and hung out. graciously I was able to attend as well. For some reason they let me hang out, even though I'm not that cool. And yeah, so that's going to be on there. Again, if you haven't listened to last week's episode, go ahead and do so. Turnpike troubadours listening guide wide open country 806 songwriter retreat, what up in country? And yeah, this is Jamie Lynn Wilson. Yeah, probably better than my radio voice. So here we are. It's 11pm on Tuesday, you think you have like a more of a NPR voice.

Jamie Lin Wilson 3:37

Like, like Delilah, taking all your love song requests. From now until midnight? Well, you have anything you want to hear just go ahead and call in. Try to get it on the air.

Thomas Mooney 3:50

Landon song would have 70s love songs. Yeah, radio request our Yeah. I imagine it will probably one day. Yeah. But uh, yeah. What do you think about last night? Just the entire? Like, I

Jamie Lin Wilson 4:08

guess, you know, I liked it. And one thing that I woke up thinking this morning is that I wish that a wish that we had been able, like, I wish that I'd talked to him. I wish that I could have been like, you know, what, uh, you know, just I think that if I would have been in the contest, which I have never entered a songwriting contests because I'm always I know for a fact that I would lose. Always. That's just the thing in my mind, I know for a fact that I would lose. So I don't I try to shy away from rejection as much as possible. But if I were in the contest, then I would want to know, I wouldn't want critiques. Yeah. You know, that's why we send our songs like I have a little circle of friends that I send songs to, kind of like that to be judged, you know to be critiqued Didn't, because whenever you're writing it yourself, you can't look at it with a subjective. Brain sometimes, maybe you need to step away for a second and show it to somebody else, which I feel like is what they were doing. But then nobody, they just said, like we just said, Sorry, you didn't win. Yeah, but we didn't say why. You know, like, I don't know, I just felt like, maybe it needed another verse. It's a great song just wasn't finished. Yeah, you know, try to add another verse or, or take one of those verses out? Because it was, you know,

Thomas Mooney 5:36

yeah, they used to have a mic for the final judges, but like, I thought it was too long, it was one too long. And it also kind of felt a little bit more like American Idol than right then. Because no one was saying, yeah, that like, critiques on the song, it was more just, I just, I don't, I just don't think it was there. You know, it was no stuff like that. And so, like,

Jamie Lin Wilson 6:00

but maybe like a critique sheet or something, you know, like, we had a little thing for notes for ourselves. But if we could have maybe written just little notes to them, yeah. So that they could see what we were thinking about, and if they care if they don't care, cool, because like I was saying last night, it's hard to, to judge somebody art, you know, a song is good for so many reasons. It could have a great melody and be really catchy, but maybe not have a whole lot of substance. But who cares, because people are singing it. And it makes somebody happy, you know, or a song as a great storyline, and, but maybe not that great of a melody. But who cares? Because the story is so great. You know, so like, there's so many aspects to a song that like it's hard to go. Okay, well, this one's better than that. Yeah, for a ridiculous reason. Being whatever mood I'm in at the moment.

Thomas Mooney 7:00

And I think something else that like, I've been here every, basically every week of the competition for the last three or four years now, this week, this year, I missed one of the weeks but it's interesting to see sometimes the the artist just hitting it on hitting the nail on the head that prelim weak and then for whatever reason, in the finals, he maybe they're a little nervous, or maybe just something where they fall in the lineup with Yeah, or Yeah, just something else that maybe just throws them off their game that like, we're I thought maybe that the prelim week, they were amazing, the song really just hit well. And then in the, the the finals, like the the song didn't hit,

Jamie Lin Wilson 7:52

right, because also and a whole other aspect to what makes a cool song is the delivery is the, you know, you could have really, really super simple lyrics where you look at a lyric sheet and you go, this is going to be silly. Yeah. But then you hear somebody deliver it, and all of a sudden you go, Oh, that was cool, actually, you know?

Thomas Mooney 8:13

Yeah, like for two examples for last night. I think we took that break. And David Tribble was the next one in line. So the crowd was a little bit they're pretty loud. Yeah. Jerry went up and like,

Jamie Lin Wilson 8:25

and it kind of threw him off his game a little bit. Yeah. And but his songs are great. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 8:29

And then I think with Zach coffee, he wasn't tuned right at the beginning. And so that kind of threw him off. And he was tuning instead of telling something about the songs. And I think that kind of maybe, like, mess with what he was trying to tell. Because like his his in the prelim round his banter, but he really shapes up really well. Yeah. And that's just part of it, I guess. Yeah, I don't know.

Jamie Lin Wilson 8:59

It is. It is. And I also feel a little bit like, I would have liked to have heard more songs from less artists. Like, I feel like it's so hard to tell if somebody is a great songwriter from two songs. You know, I, I'd hate to be judged on to so yeah, because which ones to take? Yeah, you know, and then, and then, you know, they might have had a third one that, that, where I prefer the style. You know, as there were four of us judges, you know, it could have been like, Yeah, but I really love that third song. And you could have been like, I really love second song. Yeah, third song didn't get me but, you know, the, anyway,

Thomas Mooney 9:45

will also you just, you know, you may have liked those three songs better than those three songs just by having that one, you know, right. And the whole, I mean, I think there's plenty of stuff that we can work and help me I think it's a great thing. Yeah.

Jamie Lin Wilson 10:02

Like I've never been a part of any kind of contest at all. Like, so I thought that it was. I think it's cool. It gives the it gives these riders around here something to work towards. And, and there were a couple of them that got on the stage and went, man, this is cool. Yeah, that I'm here. And because you forget that like, like, it's I remember not being I remember being in my first band gougers. We used to come through Lubbock and play somewhere else. Stubbs was there, Stubbs here? Yeah, like, the, the original Stubbs so we used to come through and play really over there. And because we couldn't get in here,

Thomas Mooney 10:43

yeah. Let's see, back then. blue light was like a real Texas country. Right. Hardcore Texas, like, right that early 90s or mid 90s, I guess, version of 90s country or now 90s Texas country, you know, right. So like, it was a lot more, I guess ingrained to that. Yeah,

Jamie Lin Wilson 11:02

we weren't that Yeah. But but it was a you know, I remember it whenever the nutritious came and played here and I was like, man, so this is what the blue lights like. Yeah, like I've never been in here before. I've never played here but I remember like, like there's a certain prestige to to to venues and in certain towns you know, that have such history and stuff and and says some of these beginning songwriters are getting up there going, Man, this is cool. Yeah. And it's it's that's a really cool feeling. And that's what something like this does. Let lets these beginning songwriters have a chance on a on a stage, you know, where maybe some of their heroes have stood or whatever. Yeah, whoever they look up to, I don't know, but, but it's pretty cool.

Thomas Mooney 11:47

It's also really interesting to see. If you had like a lineup of everyone who had been in the contest who had made it to the finals. There's been a lot of really great names who have never won, right? Obviously, like, like cleddau. flatland. Yeah. Dalton didn't win like Paul Carlson was in it and came in like 31 year greedy, Spencer. There's been a lot of great songwriters who obviously didn't win, but I think, especially with Dalton, I think it really gave him a boost as far as do what he wanted out with when Yeah, but a fear of failure. Mooney, it's what happens. I mean, I guess like, I don't know, I think also, just, I wonder how many people like in maybe like, like, what you're saying here is like, it would deter them from trying harder, like if they did loser, right. Or if they, cuz I know, like some people, usually on that final Monday. There's a lot of like, hard glares in the bar, you know, I mean, which is kind of funny. Not necessarily even at me, but like, you know, just like people get

Jamie Lin Wilson 13:00

I know, I was whenever he was announcing the winners, I was like, not kind of not wanting to come out here. Yeah. But then at the same time, I was like, Alright, I got to own it. Yeah. So I'd came out and stood in the corner and watched and, and luckily like, for for us, because it was a really hard decision. You know, we stood back there for a long time debating, yeah, who was gonna win and, and we finally decided on will and but I was glad to hear whenever they announced his name. A lot of people go, man, I knew it. I know he was gonna win. Yeah. And I was like, Okay, good. Yeah. I don't, you know, it wasn't like a bunch of people weren't that surprised? You know, cuz he's great. Yeah. And, but there were, but, you know, there were good. It was good. It was fun. It was. It was good to see, you know, up and comers. And it was, there was one. There was one girl here that played the keyboard, Holly. And she got up and was talking about her kids and stuff. And she's got four kids. And yeah, and I was like, man, and she actually wrote me today on Instagram. And I was like, I was actually looking for you today on Facebook and Twitter to find her because I wanted to tell her Yeah, man, that's hard. And like, I'm with you. Like, I've got three and I know like, it's hard. But yeah, whenever you have something in you like that, like, I understand that you can't stop like you have to, you have to chase it somehow. You know, and you have to let that that that talent and, and therapy, really and especially her like she needs it, like I know she needs personally. So I was like, please just don't stop doing it. You're great. Like, you're great. So just keep going and and way I was trying to find some folks last night that I wanted to tell that to as I walked through the bar before they all left because because like I said, I wish that I could have said, Yeah, stuff to them. Yeah, you know, encouraging words.

Thomas Mooney 15:16

Yeah, maybe we need to like have because it like obviously the notes get all thrown away but like maybe we should have like another sheet where you can write notes on and then we would transcribe an email them to write something like that. Yeah, maybe we can do that next year. Or even if you like a

Jamie Lin Wilson 15:37

little Yeah, notepad for if you want to. I should have had one. I could have brought that myself and I didn't you know, it's not always somebody else's responsibility. I'm about to kill these flies. Yeah. I'm good at it. Watch. I'll

Thomas Mooney 15:51

show you there's a lot of barflies in here. Good one yeah, we are at the blue light. always like that to me. Hold on always like recording in here just because it's typically quiet. Yeah, just kind of get a little bit of the ambience

Jamie Lin Wilson 16:14

a bar before it opens is pretty great. Pretty great place.

Thomas Mooney 16:19

Yeah. What is your what have been your favorite bars to play like in this kind of situation where it's like before the show like what was your favorite like, hangout spot? Like hang out bar before you're playing there or venue? Whatever the case? Is there anything real special that you just like? Well, Cheatham

Jamie Lin Wilson 16:40

Cheatham Street in San Marcos, as always, I went I lived in San Marcos after I got to college, so that I could go hang out there. So it's kind of my home, always have to drink. The second draft out of a mason jar makes me feel like I'm 22 always stays the same. It stays the same for that many years. It's always the same temperature. And I can drink it in about 13 seconds. So good. But, uh, yeah, Cheatham, my home base. I like hanging out it. I like dive bars. So you know, sometimes we'll get places and then go find somewhere else. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't and also because you're gonna be in same place all night. So you know, load in and soundcheck and then go, Oh, where's the bar?

Thomas Mooney 17:34

Yeah. Yeah. I don't like what, like what Turnpike they typically play Charlie B's, you know? Yeah, big players. They come here, they come here. And I'll go and tell the story because it's kind of funny. It's a we're doing a podcast with them. It was like our first podcast. So I go pick them up. We go record. And at the end of the night, or I'd text cleddau because like cleddau, you know, super fanboy. This is before they really were, like taken off. And I think they only had their EPL and flatland. Yeah. And I told them like, they are asked him like, Hey, are you guys going to turn biking? Like, now we don't really have enough money, yada, yada, yada. Okay. So they were here that night. And like after the show me RC and Evan came over here. And I walked through the door and they're like, right behind me and their faces just like brighten up. And like Jason had just paid his tab and like, had been signing his credit card receipt, turned around, and he went, let me have another whatever. I don't even know what he got. But like it was just one of those, like, there were so happy and like, but

Jamie Lin Wilson 18:54

that's really sweet. Yeah. Yeah, I did that with who did I take? Oh, I played with Suzy bogguss in Fort Worth at the lab. Okay. Last night, they were open or the last weekend, they're open. And those shows ended really early. The supper club shows that I was filling in for Cortney and Jason their supper club deal. And it ends at like 830 Okay, or something. And I was like, Susie, there's this really cool bar here that everybody just kind of goes to like it's the after, after show hang, you know, so you have to come with us over to Magnolia. And she's like, Alright, I'm down. Somehow, my life got me to a point where like, I was taking Suzy bogguss to a dive bar. Yeah. After that, and Kylie Rae and Adrian Johnston and somebody else were playing there that night, maybe just them. And actually, I think it was somebody else entirely in but we were all just there. So Kylie Ray got up and played a song and then, and then I was like, Hey Susie, you want to sing aces? And she's like, yeah. So then like me and Suzy bogguss are on stage and call with Kylie Rae and Adrian, and we're singing aces. And all everybody's like, Wait a second, that sounds like the song that's on the Holy shit.

It's her

Thomas Mooney 20:25

in those moments like, Is it just surreal? Are you just like so

Jamie Lin Wilson 20:29

much like, I don't? Even right now. Like I sang Suzy bogguss songs whenever I was 10. And talent shows.

Thomas Mooney 20:38

The last time you were judged in? Yeah, in that format.

Jamie Lin Wilson 20:42

Yeah, I stopped doing talent shows whenever I realized, you know, there were more than three kids in each one. And I was probably gonna lose. But I'm from a small town. So I was forced to be in by my parents, because I was my dad was on the fair board and nobody else is. Nobody else was entering the contest. And they're like, you have to because there's nobody in there. And we have to.

Thomas Mooney 21:05

Yeah, so all the fair board kids would have to go be in the talent show, you know? Yeah. I always feel like in those moments of when you're either talking with your someone that you just admire. I don't necessarily hero, but like, they always go by so quickly. Yeah. And and I, like, there's been some interviews where I've interviewed that person and either hung up the phone or finished it up. And then right after I'm like, Did Wait, did we just do that? Did I just and then you just feel like this rush of like, this rush and then just this drop off? I don't know.

Jamie Lin Wilson 21:45

Yeah, I had one of those moments with. with Terry Allen. Actually, we did a guy Clark thing. Last spring, I guess at the Paramount, a tribute show. And, and I got to sing. I was there at rehearsal. And somebody goes, Hey, do you know? Do you know Dublin blues, Leroy pournelle. Sing and Dublin blues. And he wants to know if you can sing harmony. And I was like, Yeah, I got I got it. So I did the rehearsal or whatever. And then Terry was watching and he came over, and he was like, I didn't recognize you. I've met you before, but I didn't recognize you. And I said, Well, usually I have long hair and I'm pregnant. But I'm neither one of those things right now. So you have an excuse. And he started and he laughed. And I was like, first of all tarryall just laughing my joke. Cool. And then like five minutes later, I was walking through the like walking back through backstage, and I heard him repeat my joke.

Just repeated my joke to Joe.

Thomas Mooney 22:52

That's funny, right?

Jamie Lin Wilson 22:56

Like, man, I could die. You die happy right now. I can just I can quit. Be good.

Thomas Mooney 23:05

You're somebody who always ends up singing harmonies or like duets with people. Like you get asked that a whole lot all by your friends. Like, how do you? Why do you think it is that you kind of fall in that row for a whole lot of people? Like I feel like if if anyone's making a record, they're like, they'll call you up to do harmonies. Yeah, you don't. I mean, yeah, not like that. You're just a harmony singer. Nothing like that. But like, we

Jamie Lin Wilson 23:33

just love it. I love singing harmonies. It's one of my favorite, favorite favorite things because I like to. I like having that role of enhancement. Like, you know, I know how to make the sound song sound really cool. Let's try this. Yeah, because I'll just like being able to add to things, you know, and not have worked really hard to figure out how to be under the radar harmony, and not like stand out hard, you know? Yeah. So I think that that probably started because the original band that I was in, in the gougers It was really heavy on harmony. It was male and female fronted like a, like grandma's Emmylou style, where we traded leads and harmonies and stuff. So I was a really strong harmony presence to a male. Yeah, you know, in that band. And so my friends that knew that band, Ethan Mikey, the Messick Chris King, like Gabe Wooten, all of those guys that were that I was around then I just kind of became the group harmony singer by proxy, because I was the only one Yeah, like I was the I was the only girl in the group and they want to grow harmonies and so I would do it. Yeah, and because They're my friends. I love them and they're great. So of course, like, if Ethan makes a record, like, I get my feelings hurt if he doesn't call me and say, if Chris makes a record, like it actually hurts my feelings. Yeah. Cuz like, Come on, guys. Like I thought I'm your girl. Yeah, I thought that I was the one for you. Yeah, you know, we're, we've been in this for 15 years together slugging it out like, and, and I want to, like, I feel like we're a family at that point, you know, at this point, and they write with me, and I record songs we write together and, and they asked me to come sing harmony, and, you know, but but then it kind of just the rest of them. It just kind of goes by, like I've been doing this a long time. So I have a lot of friends. Yeah. And I've and, and for most of them, they're their collaborations, like I was on Turnpike. Goodbye normal street record, because Evan and I wrote that wrote call a spade a spade together. Yeah. So we did it. We wrote it specifically as a duet. He was like, I want to write this duet. with you. Here's what I have. And then I wrote him back the verse. And he's like, yeah, cool. It's done. Sounds great. When you were making a record month or two, you want to come out. So then I, and Evan, and I've just grown to be really, really close. So you know, again, we're like family. So like, my husband, and I go visit him and Stacy at their house? Yeah. Like we go stay at their house. And they come to our house and he plays in Comcast and the bus drops him off and DNS at the Pico and I go pick them up and then take a check later. Yeah, the kids don't come home from school and they're like, why is Uncle Levin asleep on the couch?

But, you know, so in Wade, same thing, we write songs together, and then and then we record them together. Yeah, so, sir, no, I love it though. I like being a girl that they call.

Thomas Mooney 27:13

Yeah. Well, I mean, like you've you've done those you've done like the the Cody Canada or the Jimmy playdough. Yeah, that one.

Jamie Lin Wilson 27:22

Yeah, same thing. I'm in there. Like we're all a family. Yeah, those guys I'm about to sing on the new departed record. Coming up in December. I think they're making a record right now and think I'm gonna be that check on that one too. And see like,

Thomas Mooney 27:36

seeing all the photos from like medicine soon. I put on Twitter that I thought you were like the MVP just like you were on stage with everyone. American aquarium.

Jamie Lin Wilson 27:46

Yeah, it's funny because it's it's people that like I play shows with, with these guys or festivals other you know, I sang with BJ for the first time at steamboat, that Music Fest he we were doing a guy Clark thing and he was doing she ain't going nowhere. And he was like, hey, do you want to come Sing with me on this song? Yeah, sure. So when did it and then we decided that we like singing together. And so he came to green Hall, like a month or two ago and asked me if I wanted to come sing couple songs like just as a as a guest. Like I wasn't an open or anything, you know, but I live pretty close by so I went and did it. And then all of a sudden now we've got a couple songs that I can jump up on, as we worked it out at individual shows. And that's like, that's how it is with everybody like Bruce Robison was playing whenever I drove up to the festival, and I was like, bruises on and went over there. And, I mean, I learned all the 12 bar blues when I learned how to play guitar. Like I know, Bruce is like one of my number one influences and so I just got really excited. And he was like, oh, Jamie's here Come sing angry all the time. And I was like, I'm wearing cut offs and like a Wrangler shirt right now. But cool. Bruce Robinson as you to sing angry all the time. By God, you sing it. You know what, I'm wearing your trucker hat. You know, so silly. But, but, you know, it's just because I play shows with them separately. And then it just so happens that medicine stone is full of my closest friends. Yeah. And so I see him backstage and they go, Hey, we're gonna do our song, right? I'm like, Yeah, sure. Cool. And then that ends up where all the sudden I'm on stage. Yeah, they're set, but I don't mind. I love it. I like damn busy it things like that, you know? Well,

Thomas Mooney 29:40

I like the idea of like, duet records. Yeah, you know, and typically, I think like a lot of like, guys do. Like it's there. Like they Okay, for example, like john prine. He did, yeah, that one where he's just all these different female guests coming on and doing duets. Are you going to do something like that? like we just did, because I think that would be really cool and just roll. Fun.

Jamie Lin Wilson 30:06

Yeah, I think that'd be fun too. I wonder if I have to ride them all.

Find some I have like, Well, yeah, you do

like and Saul's Dolly and Porter. Do it. Yeah. Or Conway and Loretta.

Thomas Mooney 30:19

I always like the, because this

Jamie Lin Wilson 30:21

like, you're there. I always wanted to, I always wanted to work up. You're the reason why you're the reason our kids are ugly with Evan.

Thomas Mooney 30:28

Yeah, that's a good Okay. Well, I think also, too, is like, I think you guys talked about it with the departed song is like, you made that into we made it into a duet. Yeah, I think there's a lot of songs that are Yeah, like that. Were you know, I think so too. That is true duets that aren't duets that you could

Jamie Lin Wilson 30:47

Yeah. Wait, and I wrote our song, not not as a duet.

Thomas Mooney 30:51

I remember when I emailed or interviewed him about that. He was saying, Yeah, but it wasn't.

Jamie Lin Wilson 30:57

It wasn't supposed to be and then I cut it. And I sent him the, the track. And he was like, hey, that sounds great. You wanna make it to do it? Like kind of as a joke. I was like, wait, if you're Are you serious? Serious, then yes. But also it's in B flat. So good luck. Yeah. But he's a really great singer.

Thomas Mooney 31:17

I guess he's got his new record coming in the good 2018 is it uh, do they have a date yet? I don't think like an official date. I've just been told early 18. That's great.

Jamie Lin Wilson 31:27

They did it with Gaddis. Yeah, he was. And God has produced a record on the gougers long time ago that so I know that he's, he's really particular. Yeah. Good.

Thomas Mooney 31:44

So uh, barflies that Yeah, I know. They need freakin tape here. Something I don't know. Are you I they so sweet over here. They just want to come over here and hang out. I think they have you seen those like those fly guns? Oh, that's what was gonna say. I think they have one somewhere.

Jamie Lin Wilson 32:02

Somebody they they're called assault. It's assault rifle. So, Barker last night shot his his tequila. Okay, shot with the salt rifle.

Thomas Mooney 32:16

Just an assault rifle. Pretty grout. He shot it with a shot to the cup. That's Parker. That's what that's sounds like Parker

Jamie Lin Wilson 32:25

made a good time last night. Yeah, it's fine. We're gonna have another good time tonight. I

Thomas Mooney 32:31

think. I think so. Less will come out last time was fun. Who was uh, like, last year whenever season and drew. Yeah, of course. That was fun. There, Gary, honey. Yeah,

Jamie Lin Wilson 32:45

I love Susan Gibbs and so much. We just giggle if we get together and like we just giggle constantly, because we're just, we have the same sense of humor, where we make jokes under our breath at inappropriate moments. You were privy to that last night? Yeah, I always got the good fortune to sit by me last night at the judge's table.

Thomas Mooney 33:07

And Kerry's loud enough that you can almost hear basically all of his I had to pass notes to him. Yeah. Yeah. See, we're sitting right here where we are. Yeah. And there was people sitting way close to you. as well. Yeah. headspace on the other side.

Jamie Lin Wilson 33:29

Yeah. Like why are you sitting right next to me, there's an empty chair. I'm teaching my children about personal space right now cuz I think that it's a really important lesson to learn. And you might as well learn it when you're five and seven.

Thomas Mooney 33:42

Thank you so much. Like there needs to be more people like that in this world because I that's one of the things I do not like,

Jamie Lin Wilson 33:50

we're at the church dinner the other day and I was in you know, we're getting food in the little potluck line or whatever. There was this little like eight year old girl behind me. And she kept taking a step forward while I was still getting make him up plate. I mean, she was so little, but I just kept looking at her like Nicole get a hold of your children. Have you not taught your child to don't stand too close to somebody in line at Walmart lesson?

Thomas Mooney 34:20

Yeah, obviously not. That that's what bothers me. If you're talking about like at Walmart, it's the the people who I'm okay with bending the the 10 items or less? Oh, yeah. 10 to 12 1415 Hmm. But there's people who just blatantly break that rule. And that's what bothers me now. And and

Jamie Lin Wilson 34:41

it always happens to me where like, where the, the 10 items or less line is empty. But I have more. But I also have three kids with me. And so somebody will go like the person in the line will go Hey, come over here real fast so that you can get out Yeah, with your children. During which is such a nice gesture. And I go, No, I have too many things in my basket. I don't want to do that because it makes me feel icky. I don't like it. Yeah. So no, they're like, No, just come over. So I'm like, Okay, fine. And then I go over and No kidding. Like, five seconds later, there's like three people behind me in line. Yeah. And I have to sit there and go. She made me come here. Yeah, she told me and, like you tell them that you made me come in this.

Thomas Mooney 35:24

Yeah. See? Like, that's okay. I'm talking like, yeah, getting there. There's like, somebody where you don't see me, which is why I'm sitting there going, I swear to do this. Yeah, they've got like a second basket. Like, where you don't even see it. Those kind of people all this stuff tucked up underneath some reason. They're gonna like be writing a check as well. Like that got to do.

Jamie Lin Wilson 35:49

Man, I am the person that writes the checks. So funny. Every time where people are like, you have a checkbook? That's weird. Yeah, it's even weirder, if you pay with cash. Yeah, I pay with cash a lot. And, and I have a thing where, like, if, if there's a possibility of giving exact change, it's gonna, I'm gonna do it. You know? I'm like, hold on, this is gonna be really good. And it's gonna make me feel really good for the rest of the day. Stay on by, like, dig out like $21.17 Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 36:22

I'm, what I'm paying with cash. This is something that like, I don't know, for some reason some cashiers do not comprehend to say, where you do the even change, or you get back even change? Yeah, that's, well, I can get it. Yeah, it's the even change thing. So like, say it's 52 cents. Right? You give them 72. So you get a dime back. Well, that or like, just give them the two cents. So you get

Jamie Lin Wilson 36:51

Yeah, stuff like that. And like $21 and something you give them 26 or, you know what would be Make sense?

Thomas Mooney 36:59

But you're getting just the handle change, right? But like you just want the instead of getting for pennies, basically, on a whole lot of stuff. And some people were like I said it was 17 and I'm like, okay,

Jamie Lin Wilson 37:14

here, plug it into your calculator, and see how I'm gonna get so much less stuff back in my purse, right? It's gonna be easier. It's gonna just give me a dime. Okay.

Thomas Mooney 37:24

They don't want to do that. They know. That's more convenient source than like yet

Jamie Lin Wilson 37:30

or like, but I make them do it anyway. Make them yeah, I never say never mind ever. I've tried it. It's okay. Just give me a nickel to it'll be fine.

Thomas Mooney 37:41

I've done it where like, I've tried to explain too many times and just been like, okay, just give. Just give me the change. This is

Jamie Lin Wilson 37:49

no, I use it as a this is something you should learn. Yeah, you need to learn this. Your cashier learning is taking place. I'm teaching you right now.

Thomas Mooney 37:57

That's what they need to teach in schools not to give correct change. I don't know. It's we've gone off on a tangent. Yeah, sorry about that notes. These are like I do that times where I think like the ranting kind of stuff is it helps people.

Jamie Lin Wilson 38:17

You know, I listen to a lot of podcasts. And I appreciate a good off topic, Grant. It'll get me from one place to the next on my drive. Sometimes I skip through. Okay, it's possibility here too. Yeah. They could have skipped over that.

Thomas Mooney 38:33

But they may have learned something too. That's more important part there. Like none of those numbers that she just said. Make sense? Yeah. Okay. What were we talking about before producers? We're talking about weights, right? Oh, yeah. We're talking about wage record. I think something that some people. Okay, I'll backtrack a little bit. I think a lot of the really great records that have been coming out lately. A lot of the in country music or Americana stuff have all been done by like rock and roll producers. And I wonder if there's something to that, like, if you think about Dave Cobb, like coming from more of a rock background, or like I've had more examples of that for some reason. I can only think of him well. Gaddis is pretty Yeah, pretty. Wade was saying that he was a little bit more on the rock side.

Jamie Lin Wilson 39:27

Yeah, he got oddly fried to come play drums

Thomas Mooney 39:32

are like even like Scott Ferris here who he's the one who did flatlands records. And I feel like that adds another Serato and Ben Hussey right in Stephenville. They've kind of have more of a rock edge.

Jamie Lin Wilson 39:46

I think that it is I think it's important to do that kind of that kind of production, you know, the way that I've always liked to do my records and and i think that this is the That this translates over to that to that point, but like, take it song by song, like, I'll have some song that is really dark. Lyrically. Well, I don't want to put dark production on it, I want to brighten it just a little bit. So that, then it, then there's that tension there of like, like, wait, that song sounds really dark, but it kind of comes off sounding a little light and happy. That's weird. You know, it kind of creates like this weird tension. And then at same time, if there's a song that has happy, then I put dark product, like, bring it back down a little bit. So then the whole record kind of ends up here. Yeah, you know, and it's not like, we produce this song to make it sound like a nice happy country song, you know, and then the next song is like, want blah, blah, yeah, way down here. And there's so starkly different. They, and but then somehow they end up sounding cohesive, if you do that, like if you bring the so I think that if there's, you know, a more acoustic performer or more, or, and I do that to my, my voice is country. Mobile, you can't make it any, any more country sounding. So, so I try to do that with with production of my songs like, like, I don't have to, like, already sound country enough. Like I don't have the country this thing up any more than it already will be. Yeah, like you can't. So So I like to do that, like add more, more grungy, you know, more dirty sound and, and instrumentation are really, drum sounds always like to be real 30 and dark, you know, instead of shiny and brighten. And keep it low on the cymbals and high hats and stuff. And, you know, just kind of, and I think that that's what rock producers bring to the table with, with guys who write straight up country songs. Yeah. And that in itself is kind of what creates Americana music. Yeah, you know, it's its roots. It's got rock roots, it's got country roots. It's got, you know, Appalachian and all of these different thing like, you can tell that, like where you get these things from, but, but it's still, excuse me, it's still music that you can, the songs themselves can still be sung on the front porch somewhere. They're not something that's created electronically. They just have electric things added to them. Yeah, later, you know, that makes the, the, the sound a little bit more interesting. And new. Yeah, you know, bring in makes it a little bit new sound.

Thomas Mooney 42:52

See? That's what I was thinking like, with basically that the producers are coming from it coming out the songs in a different way that, that that is not the typical approach that would hear

Jamie Lin Wilson 43:06

it on that Isabelle record, you know, it's really it's really acoustic. Yeah. Which one is the last one. But even the other ones, too, like they're acoustic driven. For the most part. There's some songs on there that are really not Yeah, there's some. There's some because you can't hide that from him. You know, his rock and roll, but but they'll double the, the vocal. Like, that's not a country move. Yeah, you take this song, that's nothing but him and a guitar. And then on the chorus, you double the vocal. And all of a sudden, it's like, Oh, that sounds cool. And edgy. Yeah, you're like, and it's not even that. That's what comes to your head. It's Oh, that sounds different. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah. And it's so easy. He just sang that twice. And they kept both of them. Yeah. Like, it's not like it's it's cool. Like, it's a it's a cool effect. I like to use like to use that, too. It's a it's a cool trick, you know, but it's a rock move. It's a Beatles move. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 44:11

I think with his balls gotten to the point where one I think basically everyone agrees that he's pound for pound, like, you know, the, the top songwriter if you if you want to throw something out there like that. top of his game, but then also, there's the people who, well, this is not as good as his old stuff. You know, it's like the same kind of thing.

Jamie Lin Wilson 44:36

And it's fine to like, maybe you can't say that it's not as good. You can just say you prefer.

Thomas Mooney 44:41

Yeah, well, what I would say is though, is like if he had done the wreck, if somehow in an alternative universe, he had done the records in reverse order. They would be saying the same thing, right. So as he's great, but I think like what he did, he was up like a rock. Um, the Roman just, yeah, this just shows. To me that's amazing too is just like, be able to perform and sell out. Six shows in a row. Yeah. And I think there's only one thing that could have made it cooler is like it had he just that performed the same song twice. Oh, yeah. You know, that would have been a pretty hefty Yeah. Butch Hancock from Lubbock. He had like a I don't know he did that like in Austin. One time. They were all their own cassettes, though. Yeah. So, but I find that really, you got one song? And like, I don't have a copy of those tapes. Anytime you look on eBay or Amazon or something. They're just way out of what I would be able to import. But uh, Could somebody copy those for me? Yeah, that's what I've been. This. I was talking with my buddy Jeff. Like, what if we had like, a couple people who just are pulling

Jamie Lin Wilson 45:55

your money when and by just go with those old school like double cassette tape recorders? Yeah. We used to record songs off the radio with.

Thomas Mooney 46:06

But on those tapes, too, he had a whole bunch of guests like the his the people who were playing on that. Like, obviously he and Jimmy Moore and Terry Allen and like, a bunch of other like Austin people. Yeah, I guess if they were done in the late 70s. They do it at cactus or? Oh, I think so actually. I think so. Actually. It was a cactus. But it was like six nights in a row.

Jamie Lin Wilson 46:34

Yeah. Which is that's cool. But

I want to get to where I can play six nights in a row somewhere. That'd be pretty handy. Just Just hang out and then leave your stuff on the stage. I wish Mac

Thomas Mooney 46:50

like I don't know how many places really. I don't know if like a place like blue light could do something like that. But I've always liked whenever people have played back to back nights, right. I think that's kind of cool. flatlands done a back to back night. I remember like probably 656 years ago, Jonathan Tyler did it back to back night here.

Jamie Lin Wilson 47:12

I did it. We did it at Anderson fair. In Houston. Tricia said, it's pretty great. You just leave stuff set up and come back the next day. And here we go.

Thomas Mooney 47:21

I think what would be cool is just to have like house band that would be able to play for a week straight and they just had different guests. Yeah, play with that band. You know, that would be something. Yeah, that's a cool event. Make it Yeah. Cuz I think that we had to do you have to make them into events? Yeah, more than just

Jamie Lin Wilson 47:41

to do that, you know, old days, they used to do make events like that. It wasn't just like so and so's show. Yeah, it was, you know, every night, or, you know, every weekend or whatever there was any event that you wanted to see like, Oh, I can't miss that. Because that doesn't happen very often. Or someone says come through town or all these other people are playing to

Thomas Mooney 48:06

Yeah, but it's like, the night Hank Williams came to town like That's right. You know, which I I'm surprised is there not like a the night Johnny Cash came to town. Like the cover the follow that? I felt like that would have been like a cool line of song. Right? Yeah. It's like the night Hank Williams came to town. And somebody did Johnny Cash. And then somebody wrote about that guy. Yeah. And we'd have like eight songs by now. Yeah, something I don't know. Maybe just keeps on going. Yeah. It's funny, cuz eventually somebody is gonna be right, and like, Felker came to town, or you're gonna go really into, like, horrible direction. Oh,

Jamie Lin Wilson 48:47

it's weird. I just think about that. Sometimes, like, the time that we're living in right now. We're like, we've got so many great, great, great songwriters around us. You know, like, we're spoiled in terms of in terms of songwriting right now,

Thomas Mooney 49:05

I think not just in terms of songwriting, but like, having access to them. Right. Well, that's

Jamie Lin Wilson 49:12

Yeah. And like, I was telling Roy the other day that, like, I think that, like, it's gonna be really interesting whenever, you know, we're older and I'm the one that they call to get like to write Evans biography, or whatever. Like I'm calling you to, you know, maybe if you could tell me a few words about Ivan Felker, because he's really super famous now and

biography on him. Yeah. Be like, what do you want to know?

No, I would not tell him anything. I would say he's a nice man who used to sleep on our couch sometimes. There you go. No, but it is weird like that. We have access to such great songwriters and like we're kind of, you know, back in the 70s in the 80s, it was that it was that group of, you know, guy and Rodney and Steve Earle. And, and all of them, they were just kids playing songs. You know, Townsend blaze Foley, and like, they didn't know that all of them were going to be super famous songwriting questions. Yeah, I don't think they were they ever thought they were they're just sitting there singing songs in their backyard, you know, and back there harmonizing and, like, they're just making music because they love it. And, and, and then it ended up being something that formed a complete sub genre of music. Yeah. You know, and, and so sometimes, I wonder if that's where we are. Like, if we're in another one of those areas with like, with, like, all of these greats around us. Yeah. You know. I mean, Johnny Burke is gonna be like, He's great. Yeah. Johnny's like, a genius every time like, like, Johnny, how do you have so many words in that tiny little body? words in there. And I'm gonna be telling stories about how he practically lived in my van for three months at a time in college years, you know, go Yeah, a little Johnny. I read stories about that one, too. But then there's Evan, there's jack and Graham. I mean, like, so many. So many are just so great. And I just feel like we're in a really cool spot with regarding that. Yeah, right now, especially in this area. And this, this scene, where we're going to be able to say like, yeah, we used to hang out sometimes. Yeah. And that was really cool. Yeah, grandkids about it. Remember that time that I brought him in over the blue light? That's what you're gonna say. They're gonna be like, yeah, and cleddau was there and your kids are gonna be like, cleddau was there too, man.

Thomas Mooney 52:15

Let's see. That's the thing too, is like, all these stories actually gonna be like, we're after since we put it out like on in the in the podcast world, people are gonna be like, you know, I was there that night. Yeah.

Jamie Lin Wilson 52:29

Well, it's funny, because actually, I was just talking to Evan and I were talking the other day about how long we've known each other. And I was saying that we met at steamboat because that's what I remember is, whenever I met him at steamboat, we were watching core blonde, and like, he came up and we started talking, and we met and we became friends and I introduced him to Korb. Yeah. And then, like, that's like a big moment in our history, because now he and Korb are great friends. And you know, he's like, you're the one that introduced me to Corbin. So, so we were talking about that night and he was like, Well, actually, I saw you whenever I was 22. You were playing with the gougers in the Dead Ringers at this Brandon Jenkins benefit at the white at the white elephant Fort Worth. I was like, man, I remember that because that's the not I met Jason at Jason was running sound. And it was this benefit where Brandon Jenkins trailer got stolen or something where he needed, you know, any event or whatever. So this lady named Joanie in Fort Worth, like put together this event. We all went and played all day long music all day long. And so I told Jason that I was like, did you know Evan was there that day? And he was like, Yeah, I remember. I met him that day. And I also met you that day, Jason was doing the sound for some reason. And I thought it was so funny to hit a business card. Remember that? He gave me his business card. I think it was business cards. But, but also, Ryan Bingham was on it too. And, and Cody Jenks was the bartender.

Thomas Mooney 54:09

Really? Yeah. That's a bunch of people. That's a bunch of people.

Jamie Lin Wilson 54:16

And there were more people there too. I'm pretty sure that McLaren was there. And yeah, like it was like, like, there were a ton of like, you know, lots and lots and lots of people. By the end of the night. I think that Randy came over and like Cory Morrow or like, there were some other people that just kind of were down the street at Billy Bob's or something. Yeah, and kind of a deal. And I was like, I feel like it's like one of those paintings where, like, I'm in the middle like looking around and it's like, like the Marilyn Monroe and James Dean like, with on a pool table kind of painting. You want like a shot like up here somewhere. You know, like an aerial not necessarily knows where like, like Cody Jenks is slinging whiskies and like Ivan's hiding in the corner watching the show. I'm just standing up there with my jumbo guitar in my hair ponytail and probably like a hoodie on, you know, because I didn't ever I never wore makeup or anything back then or anything probably barefoot. Like I was probably barefoot. I'm sure you can get that commissioned. Jason's in the sound booth up in the sound booth or on in sound

Thomas Mooney 55:23

just get someone to paint that job. They're

Jamie Lin Wilson 55:27

talking to Cody Jenks at the bar. But he's only like 18 so he can't get anything.

Yeah, those Knights keep coming out where we go. Oh, yeah, I was there. Yeah, yeah. That's cool. Yeah, man.

Thomas Mooney 55:46

So, uh, the new Turnpike record, Oklahoma stars. Where did that come? Were? How'd you guys start that song? How'd you guys? Um,

Jamie Lin Wilson 55:58

well, I, I started that song. Right after medicine stone last year? Because I did you go to medicine? Stone? No. Okay, if you should, oh, yeah, you said that. You say that one time, you should go because it's pretty great. And I was walking around one night, like, one of the nights, I don't know, really, really late. And I just kind of realized that, like, all of these people are coming from all these different places and, and meeting at this festival, and then like, then they go home. So they're different states are different, like some people come from different countries like, and they all come together because they like the atmosphere. And they like the music. And they come and have a great time. And it's 4am and everybody's awake. And that's, you know, yeah. So, so I was just kind of observing, walking from campsite to campsite, like just watching people hang in. And, and, and it was, it was really cool. And then I stopped at some point, and looked up, and noticed that there was a meteor shower, happening at the same time as like, I'm having all of these, you know, so. So that idea just kind of kind of got in my head, like, they, they burn so bright, and then disappear. You know, comparing all these people to this, you know, just aligning them with the meteor shower and, and so I had that stirring in my head for a while. And then I got home from medicine stone, and then I went to Europe with sonny. I kept working on that song the whole time that I was there, like trying to figure it out how, what happens in it, you know, what the characters are doing and, and, and I thought that I had it finished. Pretty much. You know, I was like, Alright, I know that I need to edit still. But like, but I want and so I wanted everyone to hear it. And it was so silly, because I was like, have I just finished this song. I think like I didn't tell him I finished it. I just did have the song. And I think that you'll like it because it has Oklahoma in it. Which is so silly cuz like what have he said have the song and it says Texas? Probably gonna like it. You probably got a quarter. Yeah, probably. I'd be like, Yeah, it's great. I'll record it. But um, anyway, he, he listened to it and was like, Man, I've been writing all day, like he was holed up in a hotel room somewhere on tour. And he'd been writing he said for like, eight hours or something. He was like having to write all day. And I'm kind of in that zone. A bit. I could have you another verse in an hour. Yeah. And I was like, Alright, cool. Like, you know, that's like, cuz I wasn't real sure that it was finished. I knew that it needed something else, you know? Yeah. But man, Evan is the best at just taking like, he does it with his own songs. Oh, well. And with any that I've taken to him like that, where he is the best at just taking a song and tying it up in a nice little bow. And, like, he turned that salt. Like he wrote the last verse and then he went through and edited you know, like changed, change things and the rest of it, too, you know, but that that whole last verse, you know, it would take a fool to say like a photograph. Grace fools need supervision. I mean, come on. Yeah, fools need supervision or for saving face.

Thomas Mooney 59:31

Yeah. See, like, hit that one on the head. I was wondering if if he was the if he was like part of the full part. Because he's had other songs that really

Jamie Lin Wilson 59:42

yeah, we'll talk about but even like, if you Yeah, that's funny. Because, you know, he and I wrote little sweet cigars together. For the Tricia has. And in the chorus it says, When your kiss by folding your full bag kiss. Yeah, but that was me. Yeah, I wrote that line. I was like, yeah, we even say it and wait, but

Thomas Mooney 1:00:05

yeah, I didn't even think about that. But like, that's where I think one of the things that but he does he brings that back. Yeah. Because I think like his one of his not necessarily go to images but like, if you're if you're young love lust, or if you've been like, betrayed by a breakup kind of thing. Yeah, you automatically just go into being a fool like not seeing it. Well, it's a Yeah, he plays that whole lot about it's not necessarily the full line but like an empty as a drum to your arm to to be this dumb. Yeah, that the whole thing.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:00:43

Self deprecation things easy to go. Like not it's not easy. It's easy in life to do that. You go. I mean, that's a true. That's a true emotion. Yeah. You know, well, and he's written Evans really good at capturing real life. True. Yeah, sure.

Thomas Mooney 1:01:02

So, you know, in Oklahoma stars, though, like, I think that's maybe his most complete thought on it.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:01:07

Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

I loved it. I heard like he, he sent me a picture of his handwriting. Like, he wrote it down on a hotel, like on it in the hotel, like, on his Notepad or whatever. And he just sent me a picture of it. And I was like, Alright, well, and it wasn't even an hour. It was like, 30 minutes, really. And I went into kitchen and I told her, I was like, well, Evan just finished that song. And he knocked it out of the park. Of course, like, we got it on a handshake. You know, got it on handshake, we sold in a song.

Take a sample Phelim do and something wrong got so good.

Thomas Mooney 1:01:45

Yeah, so good. What, uh, what do you have worked up? for yourself going? Look, what's the? Where are you at? in the

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:01:53

neck? new record? world? Yeah, man, these flies are fast. Well, actually was just doing that today, making a list of, I've got so many that are that I need to send Evan.

So many that are really close. I think I think I finished one today actually, in the room, but, um, I made a list of all of the songs that are finished, two that are ready to be recorded. And then another list of songs that are that are in progress, and the in progress list is significantly longer than the finished list. But I'm being really, really particular on on this in terms of songs that are only, you know, top tier In my opinion, I don't want to just have a filler, I'd rather not. Yeah, other record for songs than record 12 songs that, you know, yeah, aren't the best. So I'm working on it, I've been going in the studio a little bit, I recorded three songs a few months back, and I don't know what I'm gonna do with them, I might re record them with the same band and another studio just to make a record cohesive. But I'm hoping to be able to go in at the end of the year, or the beginning of next year, kind of just knock one out, like, in a few days, get a really great band and go in and cut it mostly live.

Thomas Mooney 1:03:37

Yeah, and whatever you're working on, like in this stage right here, like, how many songs do you want to go into the studio with? Do you go into this? You want to go into this? And then cut back? Or do you want to go in knowing like, I'll know.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:03:56

I'll know. And if there's one that is on the fence, then I'll have a committee of people listening to it going, should we cut this or not? Should we spend the time on cutting this? And? And if somebody says, Yeah, because we have these ideas for production, and it will be really, really rad. Then I go, alright, cool. Let's do it, then. Yeah. That's how it has been in the past, you know, but in general, like, whenever I make a record, I have the I have the that the songs all I don't like making a record of songs that don't all fit together with subject matter and feel and I don't not quite concept records, but I just want them to go. Yeah, I just wanted to go together. You know, and that might be of a fault. But otherwise I get real. I don't know. uneasy.

Thomas Mooney 1:04:51

Yeah. It seemed like the to me. Like the whole idea of like concept records. I think we've done Maybe start using the word concept in the wrong way. Because like, we'll go well, this is a loose concept record, but in certain shouldn't like all records kind of already just be in a weird strange way, like a, they should offset together

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:05:15

somehow. Yeah, in my opinion, you know, from mine, I know. And they do. I mean, all records fit together as long as they're using the same band, as long as they have the same sounds. And you know, some records aren't made like that. Some go, I don't know, we got these three songs here with this band and these three with, you know, and somehow probably by subject matter, they end up fitting together and sounding cohesive, but but if you met if you're making a record with the same guys, then, you know, it'll be it'll sound it won't sound abnormal to somebody, but I just really like to be able to, to have, like, I hate to keep going back to Evan, but they're so relevant right now. But, but they have that record, you know, the songs aren't all about the same thing. Like there's some personal songs.

Thomas Mooney 1:06:10

They're all about the same thing. They're all

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:06:13

they are all in the same vein. Yeah. Like he writes Middle America, you know, and that's what it is. He might as well be William Faulkner writing short stories. Yeah. Cuz that's what his songs are. And that's how they all become a cohesive. Yeah. You know, unit. Yeah. So, you know, in that regard. And, and those, those guys in the band, sound somebody else the other day, like, they've all grown into such great players individually, that like, I can pick out a riding women solo, just by tone, and moves. You know, like, I can go Oh, yeah, that's an England move. Yeah. Same with Hank, like, on the steel like I can, like they're such individually dynamic players that together as a band, they're unstoppable. Because they're great. Like, Gabe Pearson is one of the greatest drummers that I've seen. You know, I watch him live and like, how's he doing that? And he's singing while he's doing it. He sings the harmonies, yeah, cow, you know, and Kyle has a has a style on fiddle, that you can tell it's him. And so through the years, you they have grown into having their own personal playing style. And then whenever two songs sound completely different, you know, take house fire, if you want to take the first two songs on the record. Yeah, they sound completely different. But they both sound like Turnpike in the end, because each guy has put his stamp on it. Yeah. And then you go, Oh, yes. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, it sounds great together. Like,

Thomas Mooney 1:07:58

I think that, obviously, I'm joking about all the songs being about Jimmy and Laurie. People, which I'm time to get. I've seen stuff going around. It's pretty funny. I try to remind people that like, Evan and RC are also there. There's a version of those characters in this world too. So like, give them some space to think about? Yeah, them as characters. Yeah. But more than any other band. Right now, I think that you're talking about, like, you know, the idea of years from now, we're all going to be going like odd you remember, like, we're in a golden era. Yeah. I think that like Turnpike has made in a way like, it's like the Joseph Campbell, kind of like American myth kind of thing. Like, we're not gonna think of these people necessarily as paying his bill or like Paul Bunyan, but like, in a weird way, the characters new songs. Yeah, we're making them in or they're making them into these American mythical, like, larger than life characters, right? And I think like, there's something to that where, you know, six 710 Records in, you're going to have this really rich, large you can put all the ones together there, and you're going to

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:09:22

take out even record your record and go and then put them together and be like, in this was their life.

Thomas Mooney 1:09:27

Yeah. Well, I think like, you know, like an interactive map. Yeah. You know, it's all like the,

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:09:32

you know, I'm still catching things, too, because I've listened to. I was listening to the other day, and I just had caught it. What's that song that said the mercury where it says Jimmy in it, right?

Thomas Mooney 1:09:47

Yeah, because Jimmy gets mad

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:09:48

and he leaves like someone died. Yeah, he runs out like someone like I was

Thomas Mooney 1:09:53

thinking about that to

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:09:54

Evan. Felker. You sorry little bastard. Mike. You added that in Just because it rhymed, and I know he went, that's gonna be funny. Yeah. Because then he's going obviously, you know, to the funeral

Thomas Mooney 1:10:08

will also like it's also the left like somebody had died while I was trying to like see if like that was pre funeral or post funeral because like the car is the same too. So he could have already had, like if it's post funeral he took he got his dad's car too but if it's pre funeral it's because the left like somebody had died. Yeah.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:10:29

So I know see, and he I know he does that on purpose, but I think it's like I know that that was like, I can just see it happening in his mind or he's like this is a good that's a good one. All right. So funny, but I think like in some people are too smart. Mooney?

Thomas Mooney 1:10:50

The the world of Turnpike is going to be like this real? Did you watch Westworld? There'll be like Westworld. Like these fake Lori's

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:11:03

they keep bringing. I hope they bring Roy back as a new video character sometime.

Thomas Mooney 1:11:11

Yeah. I don't know if they've done a music video in a while. Or they did.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:11:16

Yeah, they didn't want her for down here. And they did one for return. They did Jen spoken last. I think that I don't know. Maybe they'll do one for this record, at some point. Haven't heard.

Thomas Mooney 1:11:29

But it's really funny that or like I think Evans talked about like not wanting to write short stories because he doesn't want to use the ideas for him but like a musical or some kind of like large Tahoma tale I would love that like I would love to see Evan write a musical. Well, I don't I mean not like a musical in the way but like in the Oklahoma not necessarily that way but I mean more like the Terry Allen but he's written the Terry Allen cuz you're a style like yeah, we're like decorated the big family band. Yeah, bike.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:12:15

Yeah, we've talked about doing a Fulbright we talked about that a lot. You know, we did a show

last year, it's like the doing maybe the year before. There was a fundraiser for something in okema for theater, you know, came I think and we put together this band or Evan put put together a band and it was him, Hank, from Turnpike. Rc Fulbright Thomas trap. Noah Jeffries, you know from Bowens band and I don't think he's plays a bullet anymore, but he's like a crazy prodigy. Anything with strings? Guy? Yeah, I think that was it. Me. But there was eight of us or something like yeah, pretty crazy. To where I ended up being the drummer. Like I was actually the percussionist for the whole thing out of porch boards and tambourines and shakers and like I just yeah, RC and our the rhythm section and I just sat there and stood up and played porch board and shook things and sang harmonies but it was awesome you mean it was I was looking around going alright Thomas trap who's like he does all that flat picking you know on the on the for the devil knows you're dead like those like he's a flat picker and Fulbright and no I mean those are what's happening up here you guys this is pretty fun. Yeah, well that's like a good call them the natural disasters is the name of our band.

Thomas Mooney 1:13:59

Keven just band names. That's there used to be kind of like this like supergroup here. It'd be this is like when six market Boulevard was still playing. But obviously they're Stephenville guys, but Serato and Ben would come. And it would be them read Brandon Adams, Parker Morrow. Eric Willis. And they get like Nick shoot who's like this trumpet player here. And then like one time they ran into a guy like Josh Serato ran into a guy who played saxophone and he's just coming through town. And so he played with him. So there'd be like, eight guys on stage right here. And like red and ba. And Eric would kind of like interchange or like they'd maybe I'll be on stage but they would go like, just sing their own songs. And just, yeah, it would always be like a Tuesday there'd be like, you know, not a lot of people.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:14:55

Those are the most fun though. Yeah, those are the most fun nights like Jason and I had a band, Jason Ed and I had a band called Johnny in the Footlights, like I don't know eight or nine years ago, and we played all old cuz it was it was pre am country heaven. Before Jason made him country heaven. I think it's kind of what spurred him country haven't actually, but we would play like, pre 1982. country. We just said 1982 just to include a couple hag songs, and like, there's something that we wanted to play, you know, and, but we would go on Sunday nights at the moon bar in Fort Worth, that fits like 30 people in it, and, and we'd get whoever was in town. So it was like Roger Ray would come out and Brian wrong and just like anybody's players would show up. And there were times when we had to steal players to fiddle players. like everybody's just singing like Tom t Hall songs. And

Thomas Mooney 1:15:53

yeah.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:15:55

And then we all go to Jason's house afterwards and like hang out till 4am and sleep till noon. Those kind of shows her man, there's so fun and and we did that every every other week. I think it was Sunday nights. Every other week. But But Sunday night in Fort Worth, there were tons of people that were around it was before Magnolia was open. Which is where people go now on Sunday nights. Yeah, you know, when they come into town, but. But man, those nights are so fun when everybody just doesn't really know what they're doing. But do it anyway.

Thomas Mooney 1:16:33

Well, that's the thing, too, is like, I don't feel like everyone. musicians have this thing where, like, they get offstage. And they're like, well, man, we messed up on this, this and this. Yeah. And it's like, you realize that, that new has to be so like, there has to be something so messed up, right? Or somebody in the crowd to go, that was really bad. And

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:16:58

but I mean, it doesn't. I try to remember that. Whenever I feel that way, you know, to just go, nope, it was fine. Yeah, even you know, sometimes people are sick, like if you are losing your voice or whatever. And people get up and say, Sorry, I'm losing my voice. So if this show sucks, then it's That's why, but then, always 90% of the time, adrenaline pulls you through, you feel like it wasn't like you weren't hitting the notes. And maybe I sounded like Janis Joplin the whole time. But I hit the note, you know, like, maybe my tone was weird. But I hit the notes. And, and the people in the audience didn't know any different. Yeah. Because somehow through, you know, the EQ somehow through the PA it came across as, hey, that's fine.

Thomas Mooney 1:17:51

Yeah, that's great. That's like, you know, to circle even back just the songwriter night. There's, like, this year, and like, every year, there'll be some people who drop because like, Oh, I have a sore throat. Yeah, my spot to somebody else. And it's like, where they'll come, they'll play and they'll say, oh, man, I've been going through. I've had the flu right now. Yeah, like, if you just don't go do it, nobody will know. Because in a lot of ways, you're not necessarily lowering expectations. You're just like, it sounds more of an excuse than

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:18:23

right. But yeah, I mean, I I was I used to be guilty of it. I've done it before. And then after the show people were like, hey, if you hadn't told us you're sick, we wouldn't have known you were sick. Yeah, like really? Cool. Then I won't say that tomorrow. Like I played a show here with Wade where you were here whenever I did the cactus that where I actually didn't have a voice Yeah, like at all I lost it the night before in Austin completely. And I still came in and I was like, all right, like you can hear what's happened like and it was really like this like I was talking like this like it was so bad. But I was like I'm just gonna rely on my jokes tonight and I and I literally saying four songs and like a 45 minute set. Yeah, but but I still get emails about that show. People are like Hey, that was best show I've seen you do is awesome like great I never saying I didn't even

Thomas Mooney 1:19:21

I've never sat there and told stories and I remember you saying like after for like you guys had played three or four of those shows? Yeah. And how waited told you like how do you do this? How do you just go out there on stage and you know Same for an hour and a half and then you're like wait, you were Did you not realize you're on stage like just for like two hours?

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:19:43

Yeah. Stay up there for like three hours he played in Dallas for No kidding. Two and a half hours? Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 1:19:48

Cuz like at that show. He before even he went on to do his encore. He had been up there for like two hours.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:19:55

Yeah. And it was just cuz he was having a great time and getting lost. Yeah, in it. Have something that he never got to do. He never gets to do that just like stay because he play acoustic shows but always with Randy or with somebody else but never just hanging out by himself. Yeah, he didn't even have a guitar player on that route. Yeah, like Todd didn't even come. Or you know anybody.

Thomas Mooney 1:20:15

Yeah, that was a that was a great show, though.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:20:17

Yeah, it was so fun. But that's just like, I learned that night like to just not like, I'm just gonna get up and do my thing.

Thomas Mooney 1:20:26

And if it lands, it lands, there were some people in the crowd that night who did not think that's the kind of Wade Bowen show it was gonna be there we're sitting next are like in front of us. And it was like, they had gotten some beer, and had to kind of like, sit there for a while and they were just kind of like, when's this gonna live in open? You know, like, they didn't necessarily say that. But you could just tell that they're kind of like, we got to be quiet in here. And yeah, kind of bummed about that. And then they ended up just leaving, but it was like, Yeah, I said acoustic on the

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:21:03

Yeah. Which is

still like, sometimes acoustic shows, especially, you know, Randy, Wade, and them like their acoustic shows are still pretty rowdy. Yeah, because everybody's singing along and doing the, you know, drunken beer sling. Yeah, swing along.

Thomas Mooney 1:21:19

I guess we need to like also say, though, but like, this is like a theater.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:21:22

This is a theater. Yeah. Like you're sitting in a theater with a balcony and cactus theater. Yeah, but it was uh, but that was a great show, though. That was a fun other fun run. And I even got laryngitis in the middle of it. But it was still fun. And that's just an excuse, in my opinion to drink whiskey. You know, on stage.

Thomas Mooney 1:21:46

Not honey and tea. You put honey into you in a whiskey. Oh, you do? Okay. Yeah, it was. I mean, singers I could do any of these remedies.

Jamie Lin Wilson 1:21:54

I mean, I think that technically, it's probably bad. Over all but in the moment. It does the trick. I will get you through like a song at a time. You know? Yeah. Like, clear your sinuses a little bit. Like get a little bit of whiskey to get you through it. But you're not supposed to like if there's any EMTs listening they say no only steamed vegetables and sip room temperature water or something dumb like that. Well, nobody can do that though.

Yeah, in real life room temperature water. sip it though. Don't you know go But yeah, well, Jonah play song. Oh, yeah, we'll do that. I talked too much. Let's see. Play a new song. I wrote this with jack. Tracking room.

Yay. Full. True. Oh. To be up to you. Lord knows I'm trying. But it's so hard. Faithful and True. Answer. Oh, no. Oh, good. longshoreman's. You know the things that I do see inside me better like to see Gray hold in your hand it's a form is so say gray you know the things I do see in bed better than to Hey, oh true Oh to me Do you Lord knows I try so that's what I do Hey phone true

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