025: John Baumann

On Episode 025, Texas songwriter John Baumann returns. This go-around, we talk about co-writing with folks like Wade Bowen and Cory Morrow, working on the craft, and last year's Vices.

Interview Transcript

Note: Transcripts aren’t always accurate since they are computer automated and haven’t been edited for spelling, grammar, etc.

Thomas Mooney 0:22

Everyone, welcome to episode number 26 of the news 25 of new slang podcast. I'm Thomas Mooney, the editor of new slang here in Lubbock. And on this episode of the podcast, we have singer songwriter, longtime spurs fan, and all around cool guy. JOHN Bellman on the podcast on this episode, if you're not really into like sports ball stuff, it's probably not for you. Because we really do go into a whole lot of stuff. We go into a lot of sports stuff. Primarily basketball kind of shit, because we talk about well, John's a giant spurs fan, and I'm a giant Mavericks fan. And you know, at this point in our lives, you know, for the last 20 years or so, are those two sports franchises have been dominated by one single player for each of them? Obviously, Tim Duncan of the Spurs and turkman debicki for the Mavericks. And, you know, Duncan retired just earlier this summer, and we'll see how much longer Dirk goes for but, you know, basically our entire adulthood. large chunks of our growing up it was Duncan Novitsky, Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, all of these great players and, you know, this summer, we lost three of them to retirement. kg Duncan and Brian. So yeah, we talked about the Spurs, the Mavericks, that rivalry. Growing up as sports fans a little bit about football and baseball and just overall fandom. We do go into some stuff about music. JOHN has a new record that will be coming up in the I guess you what you would say early 2017. thing he says January roughly January with a habit slated as so we talked a little bit about that. We talked about movies and stuff, Cormac McCarthy primarily. And that overall was a really interesting, enjoyable conversation that I hope you guys enjoy listening to. Not to keep you too much longer on this little intro part. But if you don't follow us on Twitter or on Instagram or Facebook or anything like that, go ahead and give us a follow or like you can search on Facebook just Newsline. If it doesn't come out just add Lubbock onto it should come up pretty pretty much like right there. On Twitter and Instagram it's new slang underscore lbk technically our name is just new slang it's not new slang ludviq but you know it's very very difficult to get the the new slang Twitter handle so I don't know it's probably like six months too late on this shit. Now, I understand the confusion. For those who think that this is called reselling Lubbock just got new slang.

Unknown Speaker 3:44

Anyways,

Thomas Mooney 3:46

I don't really know if there's any anything else to comment on go by William Clark Green's new live at Green Hall album. Yeah, so anyways, here's the interview with john Bellman

John Baumann 4:12

full package to me. Yeah, musician, lead singer and songwriter. Yeah, yeah, he's he's really damn good. So what's been going on? Well, we played in San Angelo last night at blinds pub and Alpine the night before and I guess now's a good time to say that I cut a record in August. That's all done. Yeah, cut 14 songs. So that's that's something that's coming up on the horizon.

Thomas Mooney 4:40

Yeah. What uh, any ideas on name what what's going on? Like release date any of that shit or is you are you still just in the Yeah, figured out process I'm

John Baumann 4:51

still I don't know about the name yet. I've got an idea. But um, I think for after the first year we'll put a single out in January. February, probably February. Put the record out March or April, you know, we were gonna do it in November, this coming up. It's coming November, but just all the election and noise Hillary and Donald Trump garbage. just figured we, it's, we're proud of the product and we would rather just wait. Yeah. instead of pushing it out.

Thomas Mooney 5:19

Yeah. Wait until like the inauguration.

John Baumann 5:21

That's right. Yeah. Presidents presidents man

Thomas Mooney 5:27

this election, I think, Okay, what do you think about the, I guess, the atmosphere of the election with social media? And like how, in a lot of ways anybody on Facebook is talking about anything, their political views? It's kind of just like, yelling in an echo chamber. I hate it all. Yeah,

John Baumann 5:48

I just hate it. I don't care. It's stupid. It's dumb. I did see Hillary on between two ferns and Zach Galifianakis, though that was really? That was great. It was funny.

Thomas Mooney 5:58

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, I think I don't know. I feel like because of social media, and this is the same way with really anything, not just politics, but once you are able to find like your people, like you're able to just like, I guess, preach to those, and you're just hearing positive reinforcement because they all agree with you, you know what I mean? Yeah. And it's not necessarily you're not really taking in the overall climate of like, what's going on in in the nation or in the world? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like, it feels like the the Donald Trump supporters are all just kind of in the same. Like, I don't know. Is this too far?

John Baumann 6:44

No, it's fine. It's just a while I was gonna say like the same clan, the same group? Yeah, yeah, you can say that claim with a hard K. I hate it all. I know one musician who always just like, just lets his whole political agenda. Just sail all over social media. And it seems like the most angry grumpy dude his blood pressure has to be through the roof. It's just like, Man, you don't you don't have to get so worked up about it. And if you are keep it to yourself. Yeah. I don't know. I'm I'm really over Facebook right now. Like, people uploading pictures of like their spider bites or bruises. It's really disgusting. Aaron nine house if you're out there listening. I saw that photo of the scissors in your foot. Did you see that? No, I

Thomas Mooney 7:26

did not. See this at all.

John Baumann 7:29

I mean, he's a trooper for stepping on scissors and like not freaking out, but it just is disgusting. Get that shit on Facebook. Aaron.

Thomas Mooney 7:36

Yeah. See, this reminds you of who's something that just good guy who is opening Tonight Show Dave when he cut his hand.

John Baumann 7:44

Oh, disgusting.

Thomas Mooney 7:46

That was the worst thing I've seen. And it felt like it. Like I first saw it on like Snapchat. I was like, Oh, that's disgusting. Yeah. What the fuck happened then like opened up on, you know, open up Instagram, and it's fucking there. And it's even worse and worse photo. And then like, open up Facebook. And it's fucking right there too. And it's even somehow more disgusting. I hate it. And yeah, it was just like, one of the things too is like everyone was commenting on it. So it just kept on like, yeah, being up in your news. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I think like Dalton did. tag it is like, get it get it off.

John Baumann 8:22

Get it off. I don't know. Good for him. But I mean, it's disgusting. It's a necessary evil Facebook But anyways, yeah. Don't Don't put your spider bites on cuts on there.

Thomas Mooney 8:35

Yeah, I don't really do any of that stuff. No, not really got any spider bites. Knock on wood. Yeah. But yeah, it's uh i don't know. There's okay. something real social media. That happened the other day you did the whole Dairy Queen. That kind of just blew up in this exchange weigh is awesome. So it was that in Alpine

John Baumann 8:58

or was you know, I think that was an awesome opportunity. Alpine in San Angelo. I can't remember the name of the town. It might have been outside of big lake or something like that. Yeah. But honestly, I went to this coffee place and Alpine on the way out of town yesterday, and I'll still kind of feeling you know, Thursday night and I'm like really sensitive to caffeine. And I got one of those like, cold brew latte type things. And cold brew man is like, crack cocaine. It just lights me up. So we're like, halfway there. And I'm just being obnoxious in the backseat of the van like screaming at everybody. And I'm like, stop singing. That's what I like about Texas. And I was like, first Eric, when we see we're going in there and I'm gonna sing. That's why I like dq. That's what I like about Texas. And I did it. And first one, you know, saying it three times. And the first one was good. Second was a little pitchy, and the third time the people of the restaurant got on board and yeah, I think I'm gonna make it a thing. Yeah, I had a really good time just like a dairy queen thing or like a buddy. Well, I thought about that too. I thought about like going to McDonald's and post on the way up here. I was like, do the I'm loving it. Yeah. And then water burger doesn't have a Yeah, no song. But you know the cool thing about Dairy Queen is kind of hilarious to me because like dairy queens mascot was Dennis the Menace or it's still it's been Dennis Dennis minutes for 75 years. Like all the other chain restaurants they change mascots, but dairy queens held on to Dennis for a long time.

Thomas Mooney 10:16

Yeah, I forgot about Dennis the minister. Even associated with Dairy Queen. You could do McDonald's and do the I'm loving it. Yeah. Have you heard about like, have you heard about like the story about who wrote that and everything now? You know Pusha T, sort of, okay like Pusha T wrote the jingle like I'm loving it and like the rap and everything. And I think it was like Justin Timberlake is when he's singing that. Ah, Wow, I

Unknown Speaker 10:43

didn't know that. Yeah, and he got paid. So much money. Oh, yeah, based off of just singing.

John Baumann 10:49

royalty checks on McDonald's commercials are probably a really great thing to walk out to your mailbox and pick up everyday. Justin Timberlake is the man by the way. That song? What was that song that came out this summer. Now that you asked me I can't remember it either. But it can stop the field. Yeah, man. That's a hot track. Yeah. It's so damn good. It's a hot track.

Thomas Mooney 11:11

Yeah, and I think like for real had something to do with that commercial to he probably produced it.

John Baumann 11:15

Yeah. For Neptune's furrow rock in the American aquarium baseball cap. Yeah, that's pretty gangster. His style his nose. What's up? Yeah, I think that's all stylist. You know, he might be I can't say he might be tuned in. He might like to have a American aquarium thing but also just like the style this might be. It might be like, your people will love it if you wear this hat because it's been it's like a huge following or like underground following or you never know. Yeah, where is a fro from? You know? I don't know. But I know he wears that again. Maybe like baden-powell boys got a lot of ties or something. Maybe he does.

Thomas Mooney 11:50

Yeah, I don't know. I wasn't like clips from around there. Like Pusha T.

John Baumann 11:53

Man. My rap knowledge is so limited. Really? Yeah. God. Well, there goes all the questions and I just I don't know enough. Just not educated. So my thing Yeah, no, I hear it's sort of it's been early. Yeah. Actually, it's not, you know, I guess. I mean, how good is this? topo Chico?

Thomas Mooney 12:15

This is really good. I mean, it's uh, I'm glad blue light started getting it. Just because it's a good alternative to the the beer all the time.

John Baumann 12:24

Oh, it's great. If you're, if you're sober guy. This is like the perfect thing for you. And then if you're, you know, mixing this with tequila like silver tequila, and like some some some salt is a great little Margarita.

Thomas Mooney 12:36

Yeah. Just yesterday. Dustin had a little experiment and put some burn. In the top of Chico. Look out. Yeah, no.

John Baumann 12:46

Yeah, tobacco is great. It's way above peria and way above sanpellegrino.

Thomas Mooney 12:50

Yeah, I really would love if tobacco decided to sponsor the the new slang podcast.

John Baumann 12:55

That'd be pretty easy.

Thomas Mooney 12:57

I know. You're gonna get Dairy Queen. I'll get to put cheese.

John Baumann 13:00

Yeah, I'm gonna beat in hunger busters and belt buses for the rest of my life. favorite thing about dq is the flip of the blizzard. Yeah. Oh, this thing's not falling out. Yes. things in there.

Thomas Mooney 13:14

They build an entire brand based off of that.

John Baumann 13:16

Yeah, concrete.

Thomas Mooney 13:17

Yeah, I've not had I'm not a dairy queen forever. So I've not had a blizzard in forever. They've got a shit ton of flavors, though.

John Baumann 13:25

They do have a lot of options. I'm an Oreo Blizzard guy. But I will pay for the extra Oreo because I hate when you you go to Dairy Queen. You get a blizzard. Like the top third is the Oreo and then the rest just like vanilla ice cream. I was like I'm not here for that. Yeah. See?

Thomas Mooney 13:41

Growing up, basically, obviously, dairy queens are like,

John Baumann 13:45

reports for tsaatan. Yeah. And every town has Dairy Queen. Basically. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 13:51

So you know, growing up playing sports. You had a whole lot of Dairy Queen because that would be what was open.

John Baumann 13:58

Yeah. Yeah, Dairy Queen is not like, it's not the upper echelon of fast food chains anymore. No, it's kind of blue collar. It's a little seedy.

Thomas Mooney 14:07

Yeah. I imagine like if, like Dairy Queen is the if Mellencamp like grew up in Texas, instead of like in jack and Diane. They're at the tasty free Yeah, it'd be Dairy Queen.

John Baumann 14:18

It would need probably states to freeze or replace. Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah. The Cougar. Man, I mean, my middle name. I dropped my middle name being Edward. And that's you know, Edwards kind of a geeky name in my opinion.

Thomas Mooney 14:32

Did you ever think about just dropping the Bellman?

John Baumann 14:35

JOHN Edward? controversial political candidate or magician? No, but if I was john Cougar man, I How dare he like what? Uh, I mean, he can do whatever he wants. But keep the cougar that's a badass name.

Thomas Mooney 14:49

isn't one of those things where being john Cougar is awesome until you're like 35

John Baumann 14:55

I think it is. Yeah, you gotta go. Well, like back to Kay Phillips like kid K. Drop the screen. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of like the this is like a sign of the time like mature maturation. Yeah, but I still think like that

Thomas Mooney 15:07

that could be on your I don't know like the back of your shirt if you had it like if people had jerseys if like bands had jerseys, but screaming k that'd be sweet merge idea

John Baumann 15:17

k if you're out there

Thomas Mooney 15:19

Yeah, that'd be good idea. Cougar though john Cougar gangster name he's uh, I think of the the heartland rock guys yeah, severely underrated Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, obviously had a whole lot of like top top 10 kind of top 40 hits. Yeah, like pink houses and like small town and all that kind of shit. Yeah, but his overall discography is pretty underrated. I

John Baumann 15:44

feel, man I just haven't. I'm like a I haven't penetrated the depths of the discography say that 10 times. of his but like, the songs that he has hits, I love them. And they're great. And yeah, there's like a blue collar heartland thing about it. And it's the raspy voice. It's you know, it's he's not a he's not an American Idol or voice. contestant. Yeah, whatever. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 16:09

of the heartland guy, so, I really do not like Billy Joel

John Baumann 16:12

whatsoever. Oh, man. Do you like Billy Joe? Do you like Billy Joel? Nearly. Okay, so, dude, I can listen to scenes from an Italian restaurant, like over and over again. And, man, I like Billy Joel. Sorry.

Thomas Mooney 16:25

I'm just gotta disagree. But the reason I even bring up Billy Joe was. So I don't know why. But like, the other morning I woke up and I was like, you know, I really I know why I was thinking about this was that whole like, Facebook and Twitter thing where it's like, describe yourself in three fictional characters. Right. Okay. So I woke up and I was thinking of like, trying to describe songwriters. Yeah, and for some reason, I thought I'd like fifl goes West. Yeah. So I was like, I went on YouTube and was looking at different clips because I used to watch that movie all the damn time as a kid. Yeah. And then a clip of Oliver and company rival came up. And then in all of our income company, I was thinking like, dude, that's like such an underrated soundtrack for like, the Disney movies. Late 80s 90s. And then I realized that Dodger, the dog on in Oliver company, Oliver and company is voiced by Billy Joel and was like, God, he did the one of the songs here and I fucking love it though,

John Baumann 17:28

man. Oh, they're saying where the Billy Joel like, Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 17:33

I don't know. I just

so I don't know. I just don't like him. Well, like I've had some of his records. Yeah, I have like a piano man.

John Baumann 17:43

I do masterpiece.

Thomas Mooney 17:44

I have that on vinyl. And I have. What's it like glass houses? No, I'm talking about

John Baumann 17:50

Yeah. I don't know. You're You're an archivist. Yeah, I've seen your vinyl collection. You know? I'm like a guy that finds like one song by an artist just loves it. Where's the shit out of it and moves on? Like the Justin Timberlake. Yeah, exactly. That's a case in point.

Thomas Mooney 18:08

How long did you listen to that song before he got old?

John Baumann 18:11

Oh, it's not all it's not. It's still good. But like, there was a time where like, every time it came on the radio, like I'd pull up my snapchat and just be like, let's go. Let's go. Yeah. But, uh, no, it's a great song. That Michael Jackson song that came out too. Anyways, which was the one it came out posthumously. And I just can't remember. I my brain has

Thomas Mooney 18:37

listened to any of the Michael Jackson stuff. Like in the last, like, really? Since bad? Yeah. Which is like, fucking 89 Not that I was listening to it in 89. But, you know, I'm saying yeah. Michael Jackson, dude, like, as far as 80s guys, think about like, how he dominated the 80s by releasing just I consider off the wall. Ladies, even though it's 79 but he dominated the 80s with off the wall. 79 Thriller 82 and then bad like 89 and like, dominated the 80s with just those three records.

John Baumann 19:18

Are you the Bill Simmons of the Texas music scene? Michael Jackson's No, no, I'm I don't know. Maybe so that's awesome. I'm gonna go Simmons fan. Dude. I think Bruno Mars is like a is like the second coming but maybe more talented. Really? Yeah, dude. I think he did. He plays like a variety musician. musical instruments. I don't know. Yeah, does might have been a that might have been a hot take, but whatever.

Thomas Mooney 19:45

It's a little hot. Like I don't know. I don't think he's a MJ level. I do think like he has some songs where like, they would just get stuck in my head. Like the I don't even necessarily think like there is most well known songs like the big hits, but like that grenade song. I really liked that one. And then there was another one there for a while that I was like, What is it called? It's escaping me right now but I'll think of it later. He's one of those guys who he should be doing the the halftime entertainment at the Super Bowl. He crushed it every year is that last year? That was like a couple years. A couple years back, but he crushed it every two years.

John Baumann 20:31

He crushed it, man. I think he's from Hawaii. Yeah. Now he crushed it. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 20:40

Did you hear about like Adele was rumored to be doing the Super Bowl halftime and I was like, well, that's really cool. But like, I don't see how that's gonna

John Baumann 20:49

work. She's a vocal. It's like and she's a performer but she's not like you know, Beyonce I'll get up there and dance around and you know, left shark and all that crap with Katy Perry like that. That's what the Superbowl needs they need to show like it deals with person you want to go see it? Like the Majestic Theatre and things like that.

Thomas Mooney 21:03

Yeah. What's weird is

Unknown Speaker 21:07

the

Thomas Mooney 21:09

I guess like the Superbowl halftime show shows how they've, I guess after the the Janet Jackson and my Justin Timberlake thing. Remember that? Like it? Yeah, well, yeah. It went to like, I remember Washington School like rock guys. Like it went to like Tom Petty and

John Baumann 21:29

Courtney, Bruce Springsteen. Yeah. The who think played, I remember what Timberlake pulled off. Her, like, left boob thing? Yeah. No, it was just like, Oh, my God, I can't believe this just happened on TV because they didn't know that the tape delay but they didn't have it delayed long enough. Yeah. to like, catch it. Fantastic. You go Justin.

Thomas Mooney 21:48

Yeah. That's one of those. I think he was I think, honestly, he was surprised. I don't know if she was I would say seriously theories about

John Baumann 21:57

go back and watch the tape.

Thomas Mooney 21:58

them doing it on purpose. But

John Baumann 22:00

I feel like they had to have like, just the shock factor. It's like Britney kissing whoever she kissed Madonna. Yeah, I'm kissing Madonna. Like that's, that's so great for their for their business and their brand. Yeah, good noise.

Thomas Mooney 22:12

That's the the whole brain thing of like the pop star. That's where like, I guess. Maybe about a month back I read this article about Taylor Swift. And how like, you know, when, I guess the premise of the article, it was on the ringer with Bill Simmons stuff, where it was like, when did you jump off? Like the Taylor Swift bandwagon as far as knowing that it was all marketing. And like, I guess, like, a lot of their stuff was about how she was dating. What's his face? Tom?

John Baumann 22:52

You know, talking about and then she was dating that? The producer cow.

Thomas Mooney 22:58

Cavalier? Yeah, but then she broke up with him as she started dating.

The guy who played Loki in The Avengers. Okay, anyways, she's dating him. But like how all those photos like she basically called the paparazzi on herself to get those photos taken. And how is just like all for the brand. Yeah, that's where her shit with Kanye, like her recent stuff with Kanye about like how, you know, she didn't give the approval, all that kind of stuff. And like it's all about the brand though. And I think like everything with her now is so damn calculated. I don't know how to really view her.

John Baumann 23:40

I have like three thoughts on her real quick go. My buddy dated this girl who was a, who was a backup dancer. And Taylor's live shown this girl got married and Taylor actually came to the wedding like slipped in real quick, sat in the very back of the church slipped out shattered people with their like, the cool thing was she made an appearance. Yeah, that's like a positive thing, too, is, you know, her father obviously owns that huge trucking giant. So it's no surprise that, you know, you go back and see photos of her when she's like playing with her professional band at some festival, you know, 10 years ago, and you can kind of see like, where it all started. But the main thing is, whenever I watch her, and she's very talented, don't get me wrong, she's great. But whenever I watch her award shows, just the personality, the body language, it really gives me the like, it makes me uncomfortable. I don't think it's, you can tell some people when they're genuine, and you can kind of tell when they're not. And just something that seems so fabricated and so surface level where she's like singing along to all the songs. She's just so happy for you Even though she's really not that happy for you like it's just it's fucking annoying. Yeah, I just like, God, just stop and flies in here. There are flies in here. Blue Light. Yeah, last time I played here. I was completely sober. And it was really awesome. So I won. Yeah, blue light. What's suckers? I'm just kidding. What's the score now? Uh huh. I love it here. Probably blue light. Six. JOHN one. Well, so, hey, we're coming back to Lubbock, November 15. And playing with Willie Nelson. Oh, really? We're opening for Willie on the 15th shit. I still need to get tickets that show. Yeah, it's gonna be good. I don't know if they're even online. They might have just gone online but

Thomas Mooney 25:18

no, no, they were out. They were there. They were on like, at least a month back.

John Baumann 25:22

Yeah, it's gonna be good. We're excited about doing four shows with Willie real number. Yeah, that's

Thomas Mooney 25:25

an awesome I know. You know? He's fun game up. And like Dylan's playing here too. With Oh, really at Citibank auditorium. Yeah, same place. And like, within a couple of weeks of each other.

John Baumann 25:38

It was cool. The podcast to do with being I'm talking about the tour he did with Dylan and my Morning Jacket. Wilco. Oh my god.

Thomas Mooney 25:47

Do you remember seeing those posters for that? I do. Like a massive.

John Baumann 25:50

I do. That was like two years ago, wasn't it? Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 25:52

we're like, basically, the music would start up at like four o'clock. And then it would be just all the way until Dylan crazy and like, is very much in the the style of like a Dylan's rolling review of like, the late 70s. where like, he would be like ramblin jack Elliott, like, Dylan and I don't know a few other people. It was like, whenever Dylan was like the face paint shit on it. I don't know I'm talking about.

John Baumann 26:25

You're an archivist. Like I said, Yeah. I'm not well. Yeah, no, that's cool thing, man. I mean, that's a musician. A music fans dream. Yeah. Wilco, Wilco. smolka What a brilliant it's obvious that those guys don't give a shit anymore. Like wilcos from Wilco and having an album called Star Wars.

Thomas Mooney 26:42

I'm gonna have a hot take on Wilco. Alright, man, I don't know if Wilco is just like gone too far. I'll have gone too far and like the dad rock thing in words just like come on guys.

Unknown Speaker 26:58

I don't know like

Thomas Mooney 27:02

I think it's kind of funny but I'm just like, come on.

John Baumann 27:06

I want to watch that documentary on the making of was Yankee Yankee Hotel Foxtrot. Yeah, we're that j What's his name? j Bennett Yeah, god what a tragic yeah what like he was the you can't have to lead singers in a band.

Thomas Mooney 27:20

I don't think he's like the most important like he had more of an impact on Wilco for the better I think then, like anyone obviously outside of it cuz it's tweet he's bad. Yeah. But like, what's their new guitar player?

John Baumann 27:35

I can't think of like nails. Yeah, I think nails go around for a while. He's been a while since he's been a while Nels Klein like since Bennett Oh, yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right.

Thomas Mooney 27:47

And I was talking to my buddy Jeff about this exact thing and he thinks that I agree with him that like wilcos kind of gone too far in the the jazzy side of like, guitar playing stuff All right, we're

John Baumann 28:02

let's know it's kind of

Thomas Mooney 28:03

Yeah, exactly. I don't know I feel like I'm not really listened to or I'm not really like really like they will go record really since like

John Baumann 28:16

what's the record with Moscow Germany and on and on and on and that's a nice guy. Yeah. Did I love that record? Yeah, just the the solos the the long outro solos on impossible Germany and then the the refrain of on and on? Yeah, well, actually, I

Thomas Mooney 28:32

take that back. I like Wilco like the one with the camel on the front two. Which is like right after that. That one has like a Feist

John Baumann 28:41

vice vice. Haven't heard that name in a while. Yeah. No. 1234. Well, yeah. Yeah. Dan, that was a good song, too.

Thomas Mooney 28:51

Yeah. That's now I don't know what Feist is doing. Maybe she's like raising kids or something.

John Baumann 28:58

She's part of the PTA and like Detroit, Michigan. Yeah. Or I don't know. That's where all the artists are moving. Yeah, they are.

Thomas Mooney 29:05

Yeah. You know, like, that's what's gonna be kind of funny if like, if it actually does become a big art scene in Detroit. Like 30 years from now. We'll be talking about Detroit the same way. We talk about like Portland and Austin right now. Yeah. Like all those fucking hipsters in Detroit. Yeah. You know, how they're driving out? All of the, you know, the gentrification of Detroit. Yeah, you know, no more Eight Mile.

John Baumann 29:29

We played Eight Mile. We played that song last night at appliions pub. net, took a tequila shot and just yelled at people. Oh, yeah, it was fun. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 29:40

So your big Wilco fan? I'm just like trashing all the bands.

John Baumann 29:44

It's all good. No, I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan. But like, I respect the hell out of the body of work. I respect the creativity. songs I do. Like I really, really liked Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 30:00

I enjoy them too. But like I just think like some of it's just gotten a little too campy.

Unknown Speaker 30:05

I don't know. I just

John Baumann 30:06

I envy them. They have that, like bigger penthouse up in Chicago. We're in Chicago this summer, man. And just in the summertime, if the weather's great, it's just like, you feel like you're like in the middle of America, not like the term like blue collar middle class, but just like, is amazing. Yeah, there's a weird energy to that to that Midwestern city. Yeah, they have those they have that does that pin that pin house in downtown? I think that'd be the life the

Thomas Mooney 30:32

humor that uh, did you ever watch any of that Sonic highway stuff with Foo Fighters? Yeah,

John Baumann 30:36

watch the couple. I didn't love it. I mean, it's alright. I just didn't love it.

Thomas Mooney 30:40

Obviously that you know, they're going around a different town. Yeah, stuff like that recording.

John Baumann 30:43

Yeah, I think I watched the Nashville

Thomas Mooney 30:45

I thought there's one was Chicago. I thought that was like probably the most interesting one to me. Because it had Steve albini was like the dude who was doing the song I don't know if you're familiar with now. He's like the one who like he produced all these records in the 80s like he's the one who produced the the last Nirvana album with like, heart shaped box on it and stuff like that. And like he had this band called Big Black. There's a lot of like punk stuff. But it's really interesting seeing him work. Like he for some reason, I think like he whenever he's producing he's like one of those do to even dress in like in a lab a suit, like a lab coat. Like that kind of engineer. You know? I don't know. I thought it was like really interesting. The the overall concept of that. Yeah. Pitchfork also had this thing about Chicago, like where they're doing like different years in Chicago has like a obviously, deep history of blues man like punk rock. Hip Hop. Yeah. All that kind of sit.

John Baumann 31:55

I don't know. Kenny is from Chicago, honey. Yeah. Lupe Fiasco.

Unknown Speaker 31:59

Oh, yeah.

John Baumann 32:02

Great city. Yeah. I've never been to Chicago though. Oh, man. cubs game Wrigley Field is like Mecca. It's like, it's an incredible feeling to be there. For the confines. lovable losers. Yes. Yeah. That's them, even though they're great this year. But

Thomas Mooney 32:20

yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I really don't keep up with baseball until it gets around this year.

John Baumann 32:25

This is Yeah, I'm the same. I kind of keep tabs on it. Yeah, I might make it. I didn't realize that on a baseball game, but

Thomas Mooney 32:31

I didn't realize they were so many more wins ahead of everybody. But some believe they have like 98 right now. So yeah, everyone else is just around 9091.

John Baumann 32:42

Yeah. Somebody said that they could win like 110 or 115 games. Baseball is like really, really boring on the television unless you like your diehard fan. I get. It's funny whenever we're playing DFW, like you're in a bar and people are just like three fourths of them are completely in tune with the game and like living by every pitch but this is the time that baseball gets great man in his playoff baseball. It's some of the best television Yeah, you can watch. It's incredible. Yeah, I remember

Thomas Mooney 33:14

I guess like when did the was the last time the Marlins won the

John Baumann 33:18

World Series the Marlins went to in the tooth out. They won one in like 97 and they won again. I think like 2003 yards wide was the catcher. Wow, that year. Anyways, them winning is the strangest thing because they're a small market franchise team and the fact that they are wise.

Thomas Mooney 33:34

Yeah, but it isn't like they're just banking on like, okay, it's

John Baumann 33:37

the Moneyball. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 33:39

Which is weird, because, you know, like the 80s haven't won shit. Dude, I

John Baumann 33:42

watched football the other night. Sorry. Go ahead.

Thomas Mooney 33:44

Yeah, but like you know Marlins did that twice.

John Baumann 33:47

Yeah. What's really funny is a lot of the great Marlin players like Josh Beckett went on to play for the Red Sox. It's kind of like the Red Sox and the Yankees. They kind of steal this top level talent. That was Morgan and another club, and then they install them into their system. And it's, it's fantastic. But I watched Moneyball the other night. And Billy Beane, like in that movie, he doesn't take the Boston Red Sox job. And then the Red Sox won like two years later under threat Epstein. Epstein and un aids have just been in the in the, I mean, haven't been in the shitter. Like they went to the alts. And like when the Rangers went to the World Series, but I don't know, man, dude. It's

Thomas Mooney 34:24

the treadmill of like, mediocrity.

John Baumann 34:26

Yes, it's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. It's the strangest thing was I was watching an ace game the other night, and there is nobody at that ballpark. Really. There's nobody there and they want to build a new stadium and it's just like, I don't even know how to have a baseball team in Oakland. Yeah. But

Thomas Mooney 34:42

whatever. Oakland's gonna lose their they're gonna lose the Raiders. I think. I think they're going to Vegas.

John Baumann 34:49

Man. I think. I feel like I would like to see them in Vegas. I think it'd be cool. I feel bad for the Oakland fans if they were to lose them. I think Mark Davis is fuckin puppeteer. And I think like he is just doing that to leverage like to build the situation so they can get a new stadium in Oakland. But yeah, worst haircut? God, it's terrible. Yeah, he's got a terrible haircut. They were rumored, like last year and moved to San Antonio.

Thomas Mooney 35:18

Yeah, I think that was like one of those, like, using it for leverage.

John Baumann 35:21

Yeah, totally wasn't I think San Antonio knew it to like the city leadership, but

Thomas Mooney 35:24

because you have to think like, how many you have to get like two thirds of the or like, something like that? At least two thirds of the owners votes to move? Yeah, there's no way like, Jerry Jones would even allow no way now that now to happen. Yeah. But yeah, I think like, I think they're going to Vegas.

John Baumann 35:48

There's a lot of rule. There's a lot of issues with them going to Vegas, and I don't, oh, this is what I heard. There's not enough solid infrastructure in Las Vegas to support the team. If there's too many people that come in for the weekend. There was some legit argument that I heard that it was like not a sustainable place for a professional sports team. Because it's such a transient community. That was Yeah, it was. That being said, if people go to Vegas every weekend, they'd love to go to Sunday football game. Yeah, but I just I don't know if it's gonna work. And I feel like it's just

Thomas Mooney 36:14

I think they did. They did move. They would never really have a home field advantage.

John Baumann 36:21

That's what that's what that's what I said. Yeah, but

Thomas Mooney 36:23

that's the same thing with like, any anybody in LA? Really? Yeah, like, since there's so many people moving to LA from other places. You don't just like drop your team once you move to LA Yeah, just because the Rams are there now. It's not like you're just automatically a Rams fan. Yeah, so like your favorite team? The I don't know the Patriots come to play for like the Jets or the giants. You're gonna go to that game and be a Jets giants or paths or whatever. fent Cowboys fan and not a Rams fan. You know, I'm saying Yeah. But of course, like LA is so much fucking bigger than Las Vegas.

John Baumann 37:06

Yeah, LA is giant. It's funny. There's also like Pittsburgh fans like Steeler fans. They travel. Yeah. And like you can go see the chargers. Pittsburgh against the Chargers in San Diego and they'll be you know, 20,000 strong.

Thomas Mooney 37:17

That's another place where no home food advantage is in San Diego. Yeah. Qualcomm Yeah. Not even for you know, like obviously not for padres or the

John Baumann 37:31

San Diego's had a really rough sporting. Like the Padres are in the dumps. chargers or they've been in the dumps last few years when they have the Danny Tomlinson they're kicking ass they almost they could have gotten a Super Bowl ring. Yeah, I couldn't get through Pittsburgh but

Thomas Mooney 37:45

yeah, part of like the thing with charges they've always been like nine and seven at night. Or like seven and nine

John Baumann 37:54

I don't think I don't know how stable the environment is there. It's so funny like from the top down like stable organizations have the most success you know if you have a good owner, you have a good general manager. You have a good coach. You're gonna have a good franchise. Yeah, just starts at the top. But they've had a lot of transition. And they have norv Turner coaching lt back in the backfield and they had Antonio Gates and Philip Rivers. They were a mean team. Rivers man bolo tie strong, dude, I love I love it. It's great. You see that picture of Aaron Rodgers too with like the big mustache and the cowboy hat and he looks great. The other thing about like

Thomas Mooney 38:28

rivers too, is he's got like, 11 kids or something like that. He

John Baumann 38:31

got a lot of kids.

Thomas Mooney 38:33

It's like, Jesus, you better be glad like you have a NFL paycheck coming in. Yeah, I don't think he's got a lot of college to it's gonna be

John Baumann 38:41

it's sad if he didn't ever get a Super Bowl ring. I have this weird thing like with athletes like I love sports. But I always feel bad for the great athletes who never were part of a championship. Yeah, like Barkley. I just feel for him. Like that's just one thing. You don't have a ring. And like Philip Rivers is one of those guys, I'd love to have the thing about like, the whole ring thing is, I

Thomas Mooney 38:58

think are like in the last 30 years. last 40 years. We've made it too much about the ring, you know to mean, where you're not like taking into account like Barclays a perfect example or like Karl Malone, john Stockton, Ewing, those 90s guys like it's all about the ring anytime you want to like cut them down. It's like we don't have a fucking ring. Yeah, but then it's like, you guys played against Michael Jordan. Yeah, and there goes six rings right there. Yeah, that you're just not gonna win.

John Baumann 39:28

Well, and then you know, they would have rattled off eight in a row. If he hadn't gotten to play baseball nine out of five like the rockets were the team that year, but they would have rattle off eight in a row.

Thomas Mooney 39:37

Yeah. Well, that's the thing though. twos. Right. It's like your prime is in the prime of this guy.

John Baumann 39:44

And it's in Sorry,

Thomas Mooney 39:46

just the way it is. Barkley has talked about how that one finals that they went with Phoenix. Yeah, Phoenix beautiful. Yeah. 93 were like he had his best game and Like, I don't know, the stats, it was like, you know, I scored he he's talking to his daughter and his daughter was asking, like, why they lost? Yeah, like, and he's like, you know, I had 3030 something points, like 16 rebounds played hardest shit, you know? Yeah. And like Jordan had just a little bit more and they won. And I realized that we weren't going to win the series, because like, if I was playing at this level, like he's just that much better than me. Yeah. And like, that's what it was, you know, that's, I don't know.

John Baumann 40:29

I just read the Jordan rules a few months ago, and one of my favorite book but who wrote you know, who wrote that book? Sam? Is it the guy who seems something? I just, I don't know. But he wrote several of them. Okay, like Jordan was part one, part two, part two. Okay.

Thomas Mooney 40:44

I don't know if I'm thinking the same guy.

John Baumann 40:46

But I wanted a little more like locker room dirt and just kind of like pranks and just kind of those like human stories that happen but unless stats unless like describing what happened, but it's just awesome to hear what like an Alpha Dog asshole. Jordan was, yes. Just a killer competitor.

Thomas Mooney 41:00

There's these. There's a couple books. I have not read them. But like I know the the journalist who wrote them. Can't think it was his name as though he was on Simmons podcast A while back, but he's the one who wrote about the the Dream Team book. And then he also wrote a book about how he was on set. Maybe it was on segments. He was on something else. But oh, Zach Lowe. Okay. Yeah, he didn't know exactly. But he was on there. And like he was talking about the Dream Team book, because it was, I guess, you know, Olympics time this summer. And then he wrote a book about seven or seven seconds or less about the Phoenix Suns. Yeah. And like that had a whole lot of dirt in it. That's great. where people were, like Shawn Marion, who did not like them? Because I'm like, I'm aristata No, I had a problem with him. Because he like he traveled around the team for like, an entire year. And like a Moray I think it was a year he got injured. And like Boris Diaz was starting and so he was like, really not a part of the team. Yeah, but like how, you know, he was young and he was really mature about shit and I've heard like, both of those books are really good.

John Baumann 42:07

I mentioned seven seconds or less thing for damn sure. Phoenix doesn't have Tina like, but that never got him a championship. Yeah, and like they there's oh seven I think was seven finals with them in the Spurs. There might have been some some sketchy refereeing.

Thomas Mooney 42:23

Yeah, well, that's the that's where it was like, Who was it? Try think of who did it. Really like they hit a national nose? And like he started bleeding out. You can't go back on the court if you're bleeding and they couldn't stop the bleeding. And like the game just going on? Yeah,

John Baumann 42:43

I remember that. Who was

Thomas Mooney 42:45

it? Was it uh,

John Baumann 42:46

it was it was either Robert or your Bruce bone or it was like one of those lawyers like Robert or I think it was Ori

Thomas Mooney 42:51

and like, that's whenever

John Baumann 42:54

Robert or thank you for winning titles.

Thomas Mooney 42:56

I think I can't remember who shot Bob. I can't think of who like stepped off the off the bench for Phoenix but they got suspended. Like the next two games or like the next game? Yeah. And that like really cost them you know,

John Baumann 43:09

really strange because why would you throw game percent Antonio over Phoenix, like Phoenix is a bigger market than San Antonio. Yes. And at the time of spurs weren't as big as they are now in terms of like popularity?

Thomas Mooney 43:20

Yeah. See? I don't really believe any of the conspiracy theories that comes to you. refering the only one that checked

John Baumann 43:27

on he was the guy though. Was he not the guy? Maybe he wasn't? Because Donna he was the referee went to did prison time. Yeah, but

Thomas Mooney 43:35

and I don't know I think like there's there's obviously we're like superstars get treatment? Yeah, that I don't think that's necessarily like a conspiracy though. Yeah. Yeah, like just superstars are always gonna get calls. We get your call the only real series that I go. There was something with this was when Sacramento lost to the Lakers in like, oh, three or so?

John Baumann 43:59

Dude. I think I saw something on TV back that they got they got hosed. Yeah, I met

Thomas Mooney 44:03

series. Yeah. It was like three or four. No, I guess it could have been Oh, four.

John Baumann 44:07

It's amazing to me like some of these towns that have like Sacramento. You wouldn't think they'd have a pro sports team. Yeah, you know? Yeah. Have you heard the Capitol, California, but it's like Sacramento. Well, yeah. Okay, so

Thomas Mooney 44:18

you know who Kevin Johnson is? Right? Yeah, I've heard that story that happened to the day. He got

John Baumann 44:23

punched in the face. Yeah, I saw that dude. Dude, that guy has had so much baggage bullshit. Follow him around since he got done playing by

Thomas Mooney 44:35

when I heard about it, and I

Unknown Speaker 44:36

read the article. I didn't like start YouTubing he never got a title. So he's not very interesting to me. Huh? He never got the title.

Thomas Mooney 44:43

But he I don't know if you've seen any of the fights. He was in the in the league.

John Baumann 44:49

scrapper.

Thomas Mooney 44:51

Did he there's this one that's like an epic fight between him and Doc Rivers. Like Doc Rivers, it's a Phoenix, New York, it had to be around 93 Because Barkley is on the team Yeah. And basically like Doc Rivers, gets called for an offensive foul when they're inbounding the ball so it's Phoenix ball, and Doc Rivers and him kind of talk. And then they go down court or the I guess they have an offensive play and then like, York gets the ball back. And Kevin Johnson just like fucking levels. Doc Rivers like on I guess maybe it was on a screen like that Dockers setting, just fucking like plows over him. And then he's running down and like

John Baumann 45:34

Doug rivers is a big bigger man than Kevin Johnson is a little bit but a couple of inches, but he's wider. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 45:39

So then anyways, they start getting into it and they get pulled apart and stuff like that. And like the benches are off on the floor and everything like that. That's back when you you couldn't get suspended for just leaving the bench area. Yeah, so like, they're all getting head coach or like the coaches are all in there. And like, Kevin Johnson is kind of away from where the pile was. And then Greg Anthony, who's not even in, he's in street clothes, comes up and fucking cheap shots. Right in the back of the face. Like back in the head.

John Baumann 46:10

I need to go to YouTube for this. This is good.

Thomas Mooney 46:12

Yeah, it's just like, comes out of nowhere. And like they start fighting and stuff like that. And 90s basketball that's there's all these fights.

John Baumann 46:19

Hi, shorts. 90s basketball. Yeah, dude, I got dog rivers. So Doc Rivers play for the Spurs like back in the 90s. Yeah, like I played like YMCA basketball or whatever. And, and Doc Rivers, his kids. I don't remember if it was Jeremiah or Austin. But dude, those kids would ball fucking all over. Everybody do and it was just like, we were pretty good little team. Like, you know, we won games just put up points on people. But when we played those guys, it was like ass beating. I was just like, Man, these guys are these guys are really good.

Thomas Mooney 46:49

Yeah. Which that's one of those things, right? We're like, it's like, oh, this

John Baumann 46:52

is the moment I realized I'm not gonna be a professional athlete. Austin rivers

Thomas Mooney 46:56

is you know, not very good in the NBA. This is

John Baumann 47:01

the it's the most wild form of nepotism I've ever seen. Like, Doc having Austin on the team. Yeah, it's just crazy to me. dakshin be a general manager. I'm sorry. Just

Thomas Mooney 47:11

like it's one of those Bill Simmons things. I'll just quote him here.

John Baumann 47:15

Yeah, absolutely. Like,

Thomas Mooney 47:17

GM doc is like really fucking over coached out.

John Baumann 47:20

It's true. Fucking balmar get a guy who knows analytics and can make some shrewd business decisions. And they're like, Hey, he's collecting a great paycheck. He's with a good organization. But when Sterling was

Thomas Mooney 47:32

forced to sell, that's when doc when you had like a power grab. That's when he got like the GM.

John Baumann 47:38

Yeah, he's looking out for him. He's looking out for number one. Yeah. The Clippers are never gonna win a title either.

Thomas Mooney 47:43

I mean, they have. There's issues on that team. Yeah. Between Blake and Chris Paul. Yeah, DeAndre. And Paul, but then also, it's with GM doc where like, he's signing all these like, do to we're good in the like, the mid 2000s. Yeah, like 10 years ago. Yeah. Like, they've signed like, not right now. But they had like eat a turkey on the team. Yeah. And it's like, you know, I guess he was a spirit to

John Baumann 48:13

was he is part for a little bit, I think. I think he was

Thomas Mooney 48:17

he was a Sacramento king.

John Baumann 48:18

He was definitely a Sacramento Kingdom pages Toyako. Yeah, man.

Thomas Mooney 48:21

He was on the Mavs when we won the championship. But the one championship

John Baumann 48:25

never should have to. Yeah, should Okay, that's

Thomas Mooney 48:28

I was gonna say like, we got hosed in that.

John Baumann 48:31

Yeah, I think y'all did I remember I don't

Thomas Mooney 48:32

know if that's conspiracy thing, but like, it's like someone Wade was getting

John Baumann 48:37

somebody to come down on average man. I really don't like Mavericks at all. Sorry, everybody out there listening to this, but I should have two titles and I respect the hell out of Dirk. And I like Cuban man. And I like Rick Carlisle. Carlisle is a hell of a piano player. Is he? Yeah, I think he got on stage with some pain that came through dolls. Like his Bon Jovi or something he got on stage and play key. Really? Yeah, I might. I might even be like a selling point when we're trying to get free agents. Yeah. Plays or What's the name? Rick. Rick Carlisle is a great coach. Yeah, power rankings. He's like top five for me.

Thomas Mooney 49:06

Yeah. I I think there's a whole lot of bad coaching in the NBA. There's a whole

John Baumann 49:11

lot of bad playing because these guys aren't staying in college long enough is my opinion. Yeah, these this one and done crap doesn't make the product better. I

Thomas Mooney 49:17

think it should be this right here. The rule should be you got to say in college two years, or come out of high school if you want to come out of high school. Like you can. But once you go into college yet to see at least two years, I think that would help so much. Yeah, because

John Baumann 49:35

it make college basketball better, too. It would make the

Thomas Mooney 49:38

college basketball Yeah, no. Well, there's so many fucking problems with college.

John Baumann 49:42

It's garbage shot clock that okay, it's like three point line in the shot clock. It's gorgeous dribbling. The players are bad to like, I'm sorry. They're just some of them are great, but it's just yeah, I hate college basketball. Like everyone gets excited about March Madness. I'm just like, let's get this shit over with.

Thomas Mooney 49:57

Yeah, well, it's all like it's guard driven. If you have like a good guard, not even It doesn't mean you don't have to be like even a like an NBA prospect. Like you could be like 511 yeah

John Baumann 50:10

still dark shit, Archie Domino or Jimmer Fredette so good. Yeah. Jennifer is a great example of what college basketball is and what it isn't like, he can't he couldn't make in the pros. He's floated around from team to team to team.

Thomas Mooney 50:21

Yeah, I've heard he's also a real asshole, though. Like about the way he's gonna be used.

John Baumann 50:29

But yeah, he might be. I think the Spurs gave him a shot.

Thomas Mooney 50:33

Yeah. One thing though, is I always think if you give it a shot by the Spurs, or like, shot by the same thing where like Tim Tebow, like when he got a shot with the Patriots. Yeah, it's like if that team can't fucking make him. Yeah, like, can't find a use. Then how did when Belichick cuts you loose? That's when you know you're done.

John Baumann 50:51

Yeah. And it's, it's crazy. Dude, he is a mastermind. I knew that they were going to go in and beat the shit out of Arizona and week one. I was just like, dude, yeah, his game is he's just, he's the great he's the great one. But yeah, if they don't know, dude, I love TiVo man. I when TiVo was in Denver, I was just going apeshit I loved it about TiVo jersey. I was on board. Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 51:13

I see. Okay. I don't I don't know. I think he I think he should still be in the league. Not telling me well, even at quarterback Honestly, I think there's there's a lot of bad quarterback play.

John Baumann 51:25

He should be like a you're not telling me there's like 32 if I was gonna I agree completely. He should he could still be a quarterback and shit. He can't throw shit but he can just give him the ball and run and don't treat him like a Wildcat package Wildcat form that's been figured out Yeah, but Yeah, dude, it was so fun watching him like just how bad he was throwing but just like just do the thing with NFL quarterbacks i think is you got to be durable. Like if you're not durable you're done. We'll get Romo Romo look at Jimmy Garoppolo kicked ass but I'm not sure how durable he is yeah Robert Griffin third

Thomas Mooney 51:58

yeah not terrible thing is is also is like

John Baumann 52:00

if you need to be you need to be like a Russell Wilson build

Thomas Mooney 52:04

if if cam wasn't as big as he is. He would be out right now because of how many fucking hits he took week one Yeah. Which is in my opinion Really? A lot of bullshit that like he's not getting the same calls. Yeah,

John Baumann 52:17

he's a big mother ad. Yeah. He's like six five just

Thomas Mooney 52:24

he's just size of like a like literally like the the biggest guy on the field.

John Baumann 52:30

Yeah, no, yeah, that's that's that's it goes back to this the especially treatment for stars or like black especially treatment for big quarterbacks? Yeah, like Ben Roethlisberger Cam Newton Russell Wilson. These are durable guys. Yeah. Or it's like, like I'm surprised Brady hasn't had more injuries just being so long and not unathletic. But just like long and like, yeah, slow like he is he? I guess he had that one year where he was out game was like first play from Kansas City. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, out the whole year. And then then that's the genius of Belichick puts him at Castle and they go 11 and five. Yeah, so amazing. Yeah, and the castle sucks everywhere else. Yeah, it's amazing Dude,

Thomas Mooney 53:07

I love castle where he he was drafted by the Patriots like seventh round. But he hadn't like he didn't start one game in college because like Carson Palmer was the starter and then liner was the starter USC Yeah, yeah. And so he didn't start like one game but he still got drafted.

John Baumann 53:27

It's amazing.

Thomas Mooney 53:28

He's out he was athletic guy though, too. Yeah, he could have played tight end or something Bellatrix

John Baumann 53:33

just good he's got a good eye for talent and can scattered out and you know, get maximum value out of you and it'll cut you loose and he'll he'll reap the benefit most of the time. Yeah. Smart motherfucker.

Thomas Mooney 53:42

Yeah. Well, I mean, that's going back to the NBA part though. Guys like Popovich Carlisle I think Brad Stevens bad Boston

John Baumann 53:53

is gonna be great. Boston i think is in the top like I looked at the odds for the NBA title next year. And it goes like, Cleve, it goes Cleveland Golden State San Antonio and then it's like Boston. Really Boston's like fourth or fifth.

Thomas Mooney 54:07

The only way they got Horford? Yeah, they did. And like Steve Kerr but I don't want to like it. How many other great coaches there really are. Because like there's sometimes we're just like, Now obviously, I'm just like a armchair quarterback in this situation, but I'm going like, why you're not running an offense. Like that's to me the big thing about go about drank going to Golden State, is that, to me, the number one reason he left OKC was that under Brooks and then under Donovan, these last couple of years. They did not have an offensive philosophy. Other than you know, oh, it's a five seconds left in the shot clock. You better get it to Russ or you better get it to Katie bar Billy Donovan and like That's not an offence to bail them out, you know to mean? Yeah, like think about, like, how many easy scoring plays just the offense gets guys like for, for example, with San Antonio, how many easy baskets a game you would get for Parker or Duncan or ginobli or kawhi? You know what I mean? And that's like not saying that they're, they couldn't make harder shots. But like you get them like a couple of easy shots. Every game. Yeah. And it just makes it easier on them. Yeah. And like that was never the case with Durant or Russ. Ever.

John Baumann 55:41

That whole thing got mangled when they lost James Harden. I thought they were right there. They were right there. And they were almost right there again this year. I mean, I remember watching the Spurs. And I was like, holy shit after game. One. We beat we beat him in game one pretty handily in the semies. Yeah, do they? They were the longer better, more athletic team. I

Thomas Mooney 56:02

thought I thought San Antonio was gonna win. And then like he just showed in that game to where like, they were just so much more athletic. It was awful. It was

John Baumann 56:11

it was awful. Yeah. And I knew that was the end for Duncan just watching. Watching him bigger with Popovich kind of in that way. Yeah, on the sideline to play that last quarter three, which is what broke my heart.

Thomas Mooney 56:24

It was the in that final game where he goes up for a dunk Yeah, like I guess. Was it

John Baumann 56:32

Katie foster as posterized was a kid who blocked him somebody didn't Serge, Serge ibaka Yeah, it might have been Katie. I can't remember what it was rough. But it was like that was when you know Yeah, and Twitter near to like I remember seeing it on Twitter. Not just like I didn't even I saw somebody say like father Tiger showed up. At the end. I knew exactly what they're talking about it yeah, it hurt man. It just hurts.

Thomas Mooney 56:56

Like I've never felt bad for Dunkin because I mean, fucking championship titles. Yeah, obviously all this you know, all that kind of shit. But like, I felt bad for him in that moment. Yeah, where's like, man just got blocked on uh,

John Baumann 57:10

yeah. I don't worry about him too much because his personality. He's so even keel but it was just, I knew that was the end and it just hurts. Yeah, it's all good,

Thomas Mooney 57:19

man. See this? this offseason? We've lost Coby Duncan

John Baumann 57:25

just lost Barnett. Barnett. Yeah. Now.

Thomas Mooney 57:29

I can't remember exactly how many guys who played in the 90s are left, but it's under 10. Now. It's like jerk Paul Pierce. Wow. Yeah. Andre Miller, Nazi Mohamad. few other guys, like man who was part of

John Baumann 57:45

99 technically, was he drafted?

Thomas Mooney 57:47

No, he wasn't. That was Avery Johnson. Manage was technically drafted in 99. But he didn't play until

John Baumann 57:53

I scored on Avery Johnson at spurs basketball camp. Oh, really? It was gangster man. So he called five kids out of the crowd. And the first like, he got to drive on a one on one and I was the fifth one and I took him. I took him to the glass man. Give him a left hand layup off the glass. Dude. Everyone went Ah, it was fantastic,

Thomas Mooney 58:09

man. But what did you feel about whenever he became like, the Mavs coach, was there like bad blood?

John Baumann 58:16

I don't think so. I was happy for him. It's just like, you know, Avery's I think he might have just gotten rehired with the Spurs. I'm not sure what's going on with him. But no, not so much. He's such a gracious like, friendly. Yeah, remember that movie would be where he's like, she calls him a little Roach. Roach and he's like, cool. spurs stories. Vinny. Del negra was my next door neighbor growing up really San Antonio. Yeah. And he bad coach. Yeah, he did. He might have gotten a rod to you. I'd like to see him get another chance but beautiful wife, by the way, but he would come over and shoot hoops with me. Oh, really? Yeah, dude, it was very cool. He only did a couple times. But it was like, this is this is the greatest thing ever.

Thomas Mooney 58:56

Yeah. We're What do you think you got a raw deal? clippers or Chicago?

John Baumann 59:01

No, I just I wonder if his first run to the league? And I'm not really I don't I don't know. You know, nobody wants to work for Donald Sterling. I don't know who the GM and the situation was. But I don't know if he ever had the right talent or the right teams around him. But maybe he's just not a good tactician as a coach.

Thomas Mooney 59:17

Yeah. I think the same thing with like, Avery is when he first when he first came up to the Mavericks. And he was an assistant coach, and he thought he was a player there for a while too. He was on that. Oh, six team. Yeah. No, he wasn't. Was he? No, I guess he wasn't he was like he retired with Yeah, now he retired with the Mavs. Wow. And like he was an assistant for like under Don Nelson. And then like he took over. I guess he was like he was he was a coach of the oh six team. But and then the the team after that, that 167 games or whatever.

Unknown Speaker 59:56

But

Thomas Mooney 59:58

what I didn't like about Avery was That he got he realized like he did make Dirk a better post player. He made him a better offensive player, all that stuff. But then the offense just went into this isolation mode. And that was just one of those like it bogged down the offense bogged down in the game. And that's like, that's honestly like one of the reasons why we lost to golden state that next year when we were like the number one seed and they were the eight seed, which was, I think that was like, in my opinion, a lower point. In Matt's fandom,

John Baumann 1:00:29

and Alex last six lawsuits. Yeah, I'm excited. I hope the Golden State Warriors fall apart. You do. I really do rooting for that. I am and I like I'm not really a fan of Steph Curry. Like, I don't really yeah, I think he's a killer ballplayer just like I don't like his persona. I don't like his demeanor. I think his ego is gigantic. Like I don't like I don't like any of that crap. But I wondered. I feel like they got rid of a lot of their depth. Bring it in Katie. Yeah. And I hope it is their undoing. Yeah, really? I really hope it is.

Thomas Mooney 1:01:00

I think as a basketball fan, I think it's gonna be some beautiful basketball. Yeah. But like, if it doesn't go well, like the egos I think are just maybe going to be like, I think the one person who will start complaining first will be like, Draymond Green. Yeah. Because so much of their offense now was you know, him grabbing a board. Taking golf.

John Baumann 1:01:23

Yeah. You know,

Thomas Mooney 1:01:24

leading the break, and now that's gonna be a whole lot of Katie. Yeah. So like, you're gonna lose touches, not shots, but touches. Yeah. And like Thompson, he's gonna lose some shots.

John Baumann 1:01:34

I love Ecuador. I think he's the only guy really like on that team. Really?

Thomas Mooney 1:01:37

Yeah. He's a I've heard like, he's, he's one of those real moody guys really league. Yeah. He didn't seem like it. But like he had a problem with whenever he when Kerr wanted him to come off the bench. I heard like he was not he didn't like that. Yeah,

John Baumann 1:01:57

it's great six man. But he

Thomas Mooney 1:01:59

was like, you know, if we don't what I heard on a podcast or something like that was like him telling Steve Kerr that if they didn't win the championship with him coming off the bench. He was gonna like fucking kick his ass. Oh, you know, something dumb like that?

John Baumann 1:02:13

Did the Steve Kerr thing was weird this whole year with like them? With Walton coaching. Well, just like the whole medical surrounding around, like it was all kind of mysterious. And yeah, I was like, does he have some sort of cancer that he didn't want the public to know about? Yeah, but,

Thomas Mooney 1:02:29

you know, they're just calling it like a back injury. Yeah, somewhat like, you know, I I understand what you're saying.

John Baumann 1:02:34

There's something something seemed off and the amount of time and just I don't know.

Thomas Mooney 1:02:40

Yeah. I don't know either. Speaking of stuff that we really don't know about basketball, Chris Bosh. By the way, this turned into like a sports podcast.

John Baumann 1:02:51

It really did. So I hope it though. I love it when people are like, I hate sports ball. And I'm like, sorry, man.

Thomas Mooney 1:02:57

Yeah, I can't help you. But Chris Bosh, you know that. He just was, I guess, ruled out.

John Baumann 1:03:02

I think he's done, man. And I thought he was done. When the blood clots first showed up. I was like, This guy might be done. And when they reappeared, like, I think his career is over. I don't think he'll ever play basketball ever again. Yeah, I think he would, I think would be probably like, 34 years old.

Thomas Mooney 1:03:18

Yeah. younger than that. I mean, he's like, 3130. But the the thing is, is like, I guess technically, he could sign a waiver and do all that stuff. Yeah, you know, and play. But I think that would be such a bad thing to do. Because like, you know, heaven forbid, you sign a waiver and like something actually bad happening happen on the court. You know what I mean? You don't want that regardless if he's, if you sign a waiver or not, you know, and I hope he's like, he weighs the options and realizes like, you know,

John Baumann 1:03:52

have you seen those commercials he does with Kevin nealon and Arnold Palmer for the for the blood clot, though. Yeah. I don't know what the medicines called. But it's just like this is this is what your this is your day job now? Yeah, here it might be. Yeah. Yeah. Heaven forbid that. Have you be good on TV though? He would be good on TV. He'd be good. Like Dancing with the Stars guy. But yeah, I mean, I don't. I keep thinking about like Miami and I'm like, boy, when the Spurs beat them in 2000 was at 14. Yeah, they ruined that franchise for a little bit like LeBron left. Like, all they have is like Bosh. Bosh has done. Dwayne's in Chicago, which is crazy to me. Yeah, that Hassan Whiteside guy is a baller though. We were like in the running to get Whiteside Yeah, I just knew like we weren't gonna get him. I think Miami be a really tough place to leave if you're a ballplayer

Thomas Mooney 1:04:42

Yeah. Simply like I feel like LA. If you're in LA or in Miami, yeah. Why leave?

John Baumann 1:04:50

Yeah, yeah. That's that's the life right making millions and yeah, but speech as that's like the whole thing with the DOJ Sorry to say, that was weird too. Yeah, that whole thing was right. He's a baller too, but Hakka, Hakka Jordan, love it.

Thomas Mooney 1:05:08

Yeah. Even if we had gotten him I would I would still be okay with those rules because I feel like you can't change them this year today. Yeah, I still don't think you can change the rules based off of

John Baumann 1:05:20

agencies practices, free throws, just get them

Thomas Mooney 1:05:22

yeah, right off of like, six guys being bad at something. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's just

John Baumann 1:05:30

basketballs back in like a month. Yeah, no, no, or month and a half. What

Thomas Mooney 1:05:34

Uh, okay, I'm gonna ask you this of the of the Spurs championships. Which one do you think was like the most sweet 14

John Baumann 1:05:40

beating the heat beating the heat after almost beating in the year before? Man I remember. I was in Austin, Texas. my buddy's house I had a bottle of scotch like I was ready to take a giant poll because I knew they were going to win that game six in Miami. And when they didn't Ray Allen when that Yeah, just a crushing man.

Thomas Mooney 1:05:56

I still step back and it was it was a great step back it was a great shot.

John Baumann 1:06:00

It was killer man but it was it's exactly what it was. It was a killer and dude that the anguish that was a rough year for me in general, but I remember how much that hurt and I remember putting the lid back on the bottle of scotch because I wasn't gonna take a whole Yeah, it's just like but I remember 14 when they just destroyed them like I drove down to San Antonio for for like game fi which is the final game so I wanted to be in the city when they want I want to experience because I remember being in high school and like going downtown with my friends and like jumping on cars and screaming and what do they want the title and in oh five but a dozen 14 was incredible man and they just the basketball was beautiful. Great passing great teams. midship was just it was cathartic was awesome.

Thomas Mooney 1:06:42

Yeah. I think I kind of figured that's the year you're gonna say Yeah. Because it really in the same way like the Mavs championship, you know, we lost the heat and then beat The beat the heat a little bit a little sweeter that way. I don't like that's the

John Baumann 1:07:01

you guys who don't become a Mavericks fan growing up in Fort Stockton.

Thomas Mooney 1:07:05

Well, I mean, I just I don't know. I was a big fan of like the triple Jays. Jason Kidd. Oh, yeah. Jamal. mashburn.

John Baumann 1:07:11

Yeah, I remember I read those guys. So I was not fair as question. Yeah. And then how do you how do you choose them over the Spurs being in your geographical area? I don't know. Just just happens. Yeah. I don't know. What's cool. I'm just curious. I don't know. That's just one of those things like championships are sweet man. I hope this birds get another one. I'm a little I'm a little worried. But yeah, it's it was a killer thing to grow up with.

Thomas Mooney 1:07:37

Yeah. Have you ever heard about? Like, one of the big reasons why the triple Jays got all disbanded in Dallas,

John Baumann 1:07:46

but like a wife, women thing. It's a woman thing that always is. It's about Toni Braxton. Oh, no way. Yeah. Oh, break man. Exactly. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 1:07:57

Apparently like Jason Kidd. This is before that, like any of these dudes were married. Jason Kidd is like, after a game supposed to like pick up Toni Braxton or leave the game with Jason and Jimmy Jackson's troops in and just takes it takes the limo or whatever. Yeah, fucking Jason is just like left there. Like what? Who fucking does that? Yeah, what kind of teammate but like, that's apparently what happened. Then after that there was some bad blood. And then like Jimmy Jackson was traded.

John Baumann 1:08:27

I remember. I liked him a lot. Yeah, Jamal mashburn was a marsh Jamal mashburn. Yeah, yeah. spurs almost got Jason Kidd, but I'm so glad they do. Yeah. They were gonna sign them from the nets, right. Yeah, that one. It was like that was set. Yeah, it was from the nets. And it was something funny, but

Thomas Mooney 1:08:45

Parker is gonna play too.

John Baumann 1:08:46

Yeah, but I'm glad it didn't happen. Yeah. Next boards. Love them. Somebody asked me their day, like what do you like to do? And I like thought about it. And it was either like, write songs or like sit on my ass and like watch sports. Not really do anything else. Yeah, I need some hobbies. Yeah. Okay. What

Thomas Mooney 1:09:04

do you what do you like about sports the most? Like the watching of the game? Or like the, like the soap opera around the game? That makes sense.

John Baumann 1:09:16

Yeah, it makes total sense. I like it both. Yeah, I think it's I like to see the hero the heroism in it like I love when somebody does something like, like, there's this commercial right now with Russell Wilson. And there's like, orchestra music. It's like, Bach or something. It's like the blue denude. Or I don't know what song it is Strauss. But it's like orchestra song. He's just joking. All these people buying the line of scrimmage trying to find a light to throw the ball. It's just beautiful, man. It's just heroic. And it's just it's a fantastic thing to witness people that are so great at these things. And I don't know. And it's fun. You know. It's fun to watch. Great teams do great things. Yeah, but yeah, I love the soap opera the NFL like it's so scary. It's amazing.

Thomas Mooney 1:10:00

I love the soap opera aspects of like all the sports. Yeah, a little bit more than the games. Yeah. Like, I'll watch every math game I'll watch probably like, of the 82 games at least like 70 of them. Yeah. Now, obviously in baseball, we just talked about that. And in football. I really honestly don't even have like a favorite team. I don't either. I kind of like, I'll watch party games. Yeah, I think like, it's interesting. I like to watch like the good teams. Yeah. Which sounds real Bandcamp or, like, not being you know, like, jumping on the bandwagon. Yeah, but it's not really like rooting for them. I'm like, I just like the watch those guys play. Yeah, they they play well, but I do love the soap opera a little bit more.

John Baumann 1:10:44

It's fun, too. Yeah, the soap operas. A lot of fun. The soap opera is wild. I mean, just like this year, we have a rod soap opera and like being forced to retire like that was fucking great.

Thomas Mooney 1:10:55

I that's like one of those one. Like, that dude is not like a good dude. Yeah,

John Baumann 1:11:01

I saw him on Twitter. A couple weeks ago.

Thomas Mooney 1:11:03

I felt bad for him in that moment. where like,

John Baumann 1:11:07

they've been kicking ass out with the guy.

Thomas Mooney 1:11:10

Yeah, didn't want to like Bring him in. Like, or like, I guess that he didn't want to start them at third base.

John Baumann 1:11:17

It's just weird. Do you watch that you watch the retirement of Jeter and you watch the retirement of a Ron, they couldn't be more different.

Thomas Mooney 1:11:23

I know. And a Rod's the reason why they won that last championship.

John Baumann 1:11:27

Yeah, like he's the reason he had an RBI or something like that. And that final game, and he was just like, fucking kicking ass. Like,

Thomas Mooney 1:11:33

during that entire year.

John Baumann 1:11:36

I follow him on Twitter. And he's always like taking pictures with his case. He was like a really slick, sweet dad. But yeah, I've heard a lot of mixed opinions on him. Like I heard a story one time like some other baseball players written at this restaurant and like a rod was across the table and like picked up their bill and like that kind of thing. But I kept hearing like around the retirement like how he all he ever wanted to do was fit in and kind of made himself look like a domestic jackass. Like remember when he was with Cameron Diaz at the Super Bowl, and she was like feeding and popcorn. Just so strange. Yeah. But yeah,

Thomas Mooney 1:12:06

he you heard if you heard about like the like, he apparently has like that painting of him is like a senator. In his house. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, some real ego shit right there. I think it'd be it's really, if it's, if he's aware. self aware of that. Yeah, I think it's funny. He's like, a guy's Come check this out. Yeah,

John Baumann 1:12:27

yeah, like a real meathead. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm excited for playoff baseball. That's gonna be great. I've got a I think American League I like Boston or like Texas Rangers, and I'm really hoping the Cubs can can make it. Yeah, I think it'd be cool. Yeah, good for the sport.

Thomas Mooney 1:12:43

Yeah, but like Dan Patrick says that, like the Cubs winning is like the last, like real drama. In sports like the last.

John Baumann 1:12:54

I think you're right. You know what I mean, the less it's the last box,

Thomas Mooney 1:12:57

like the last like, I think what he said was where he says something like the last like, story storyline. The last movie, you know, like Red Sox one? Yep. Back in wounds that Oh, four.

John Baumann 1:13:09

Yeah, they want three then. Oh, 407 and then 13? I think Yeah. Um, yeah. It's, it's very What do you remember? The Steve Bartman game? Did you watch that game? Yeah, dude, I'll never forget. 3430 is really great on that. It is. It's funny. It's like 911. And this is not like 911 but like, you remember where you were when Michael Jackson died when 911 happened? And when fucking Steve Bartman caught that ball. Like I just, I just remember that just being it's just wild. Yeah. Insane. For guy living in obscurity. Yeah. Review ever. One of my favorite little moments off of that, too, was

Thomas Mooney 1:13:48

I think Dan patchbay I guess it was Dan Patrick. He was a hosting sports center that night, and like they have Steve Bartman call in, and then it turns out to be a hoax. That's right.

John Baumann 1:14:01

You're that so yeah, we're back. It's coming back to me.

Thomas Mooney 1:14:05

Yeah, I can't remember what he says to like, get off air. He says like something, obviously, like, falling. But, you know, we just hoaxed Sports Center. Yeah, but like, you

John Baumann 1:14:16

need to go to the YouTube for that.

Thomas Mooney 1:14:17

Yeah. That's I don't know. I think like those kind of things are funny.

John Baumann 1:14:22

Yeah, they're great. just based off of one play, yeah. The Fly. Is this fly? I'm sure locking sucks. I think my buddy he was playing here and they're gonna be able to hear the buzzer. He's like, literally on my microphone right now. Yeah. And I was on my face. I hate him. Yeah. It's weird being out here like this in West Texas. Like an Alpine Santa like if you're at a gas station and you just leave the doors open like running to get like a water or whatever. Like your flies will just fly in your van and hang out. Anyway, it sucks. I hate flies. I hate flies to I hate to be a cow with flies all over me. Yeah, that would be rough.

Thomas Mooney 1:15:00

Mine are like a horse.

John Baumann 1:15:02

Now it's up to like all around your eyes.

Thomas Mooney 1:15:04

Yeah, like right now. Yeah, like it's the like, what can you really do other than like, shake your head? Too much? They're

John Baumann 1:15:11

fast. They're fast as hell. Yeah. I hate cockroaches to bastards Get out of my house. The worst I hate to. Yeah, they're smart dude. I think they're very smart, intelligent animals. Yeah, bugs like cockroaches man, they like no, like know where to run away from and I feel like they have like a weird spidey sense about him. Yeah. You shouldn't Maybe hell or high water. No, not yet. Dude. You'll love it. I know it's all about West Texas stuff. Yes, these bank robbers in West Texas The only shitty thing is they filmed it in New Mexico. I think Jeff even tweeted about this. Yeah, buddy Jeff have talked about you saw it. Like they robbed a bank and post and it's like, obviously not post. Yeah, it's like alamogordo or Las Cruces or something. Yeah. New Mexican cities. But whatever. He

Thomas Mooney 1:15:58

He said that he liked like 90% of it. Yeah, within like, there's 10% where it is like

John Baumann 1:16:04

that's, I couldn't agree more like, like the lead actor. I don't know his name. He was in Star Trek or whatever. Like, no, no, that's Yeah, like, maybe it's Chris Pine. I don't know. I think it was Yeah, it's Chris Pine. Like No, no, he's a handsome dude. Yeah. What's but like that guy's never gonna be Boston bank robber in West Texas. Yeah, Foster's believable.

Thomas Mooney 1:16:24

Yeah. Ben Foster, like in. Yeah, they clicked into Yuma was amazing. Dude, he

John Baumann 1:16:31

was he was absolutely fantastic. That is a great movie, man. It's one of those movies I can watch over and over again. 310 to Yuma dude, holy shit. Yeah. What a good movie. To me.

Thomas Mooney 1:16:40

That's like what made him like when I saw the trailers for this I that's what

John Baumann 1:16:45

Foster's a great actor, man. A lot of people know about him, but he's like a real he's a really good actor.

Thomas Mooney 1:16:52

Yeah. And I guess like one of Jeff's complaints was that Jeff Bridges just have like, one, one or two too many. Like,

John Baumann 1:17:01

Jeff Bridges isn't like, like True Grit kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. I I really like Jeff Bridges, man. He's fantastic. But yeah, I agree. It is like 90% great, but the location thing was the thing that really bothered me. Yeah. Cuz we only spent so much time out here. Yeah. And it's just like, Man, this is not fucking post that's not Slayton. Yeah, he hates Oklahoma that fast. And that's not what Oklahoma looks like. That's

Thomas Mooney 1:17:24

exactly what he had to complain about. That too was like them driving between towns. Yeah. And they made it like seemed like it was an hour apart.

John Baumann 1:17:31

Yeah, that. That it's it's one of those things where it's like, take some time to get that shit, right. Yeah, because it just it it dampens? The movie cheapens the

Thomas Mooney 1:17:44

best West Texas movie. No Country for Old Men. Oh,

John Baumann 1:17:47

yeah. Do you like to me hands or Mac? Yeah, core Mac. Yeah, that movie kicks ass man. Every time like destroying an Alpine like I think that scene where that dude pulls over with the chickens in the truck. And he's like, Where's the nearest airport? He's like oil or for an Alpine like yeah, it's a great movie, man.

Thomas Mooney 1:18:03

Yeah, and what are you gonna have to do with the chickens? Yeah, I was thinking about the dude who first guy gets punched? Yeah, that dude from Fort Stockton. Yeah, Chip love. Yeah, yeah.

John Baumann 1:18:15

So it's an awesome it's a brilliant fantastic movie. Josh Brolin kicks. kicks ass Woody Harrelson kicks ass. Yeah, that's Javier Bardem is a fucking monster and that movie. What? Lou Lou Allen? What's his name? Lewin Llewellyn. Yeah, yeah. My favorite part on that a grandma dude. Oh, your grandma's great.

Thomas Mooney 1:18:36

Yeah. Yeah, the I've never seen a Mexican in a Sikh before. Like that part. Yeah, that's so great. I love her going into the like it became a thing in my family. Whenever we were like El Paso you know how many people I know in El Paso? Yeah, like, hold up the zeros on any town that you didn't really know anybody

John Baumann 1:18:56

else. So as far as Hell,

Thomas Mooney 1:18:58

yeah. underrated part about that movie though. There's like no score. Like no dude. score and that's what makes it fucking creepy.

John Baumann 1:19:08

Is that color movie? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, dude when he's like walking up to the hotel, like old wooden, like the wooden steps just real fast. There's no music to your heart is just pounding. pounding. Yeah. Did you read the book? I don't think I did. Really, really good book. I read the road. That was the core map book.

Thomas Mooney 1:19:29

Right when I hate to the to do the whole like all the books better than the movie? Yeah, cuz like honestly, I really can't say it is better but it's just as good. Yeah, like they will normally the books is better. The book is good. It is better. Like I don't want to be like that guy because like you hear like, guy everywhere with any book. But like that's one of those books where literally like or it's one of those situations where the movie lives up to the book. Yeah. Like it's so damn good.

John Baumann 1:19:57

Well, the column brothers are good guys to leave your your book. greatsword

Thomas Mooney 1:20:00

I mean, there's some differences that there's some scenes cut out. Yeah, but obviously you kind of have to do that for a movie.

John Baumann 1:20:08

Yeah. There's some talented guys that make some clunkers here and there but

Thomas Mooney 1:20:11

clunkers. What do you think is the clunker?

John Baumann 1:20:14

Like what was that movie Burn After Reading? You think it was like, I like it, but I don't think you'd like commercially it wasn't like a hit for them. Like they have some hits like Lebowski raising Arizona. Yeah, I was raising Arizona the other day, in the hotel room, and I was just like, Fuck, this movie is hilarious. And this is like 1989 or whatever it was. I don't even know Holly Hunter in that movie. Except the mom. Yeah. I'm a fan. Yeah, I was a big fan. I'm a fan of hers. Yeah. Nick Cage. I know. Nick Cage. What's his name? HHW. Hai yah. Ha ha di D What a fucking name. That's great. Yeah, john. Yeah, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Raising Arizona.

Thomas Mooney 1:20:56

Did you watch a ladykillers? I think that's that's that's

John Baumann 1:21:00

Tom Hanks movie. No, I never saw it. That's what that's Cohen's. Yeah. But that was a clunker too. Yeah. A serious man. Did you watch that? Is that Turturro in the? No, that's I didn't know. I think I'd like Barton Fink? Yeah, I am. You know, I rented a serious man and just couldn't I didn't really give it a shot. Yeah, done pretty quick. Really? Yeah. But what they are great, man.

Thomas Mooney 1:21:25

I liked serious man. But I didn't. Like I could see like, why somebody wouldn't like it. Yeah, it's it's just like, there's not really

John Baumann 1:21:34

a what's the best Coen Brothers movies? No, that's not Lebowski.

Thomas Mooney 1:21:39

No country. Oh, yeah. Fargo. I love I love Fargo. Raising Arizona Yeah,

John Baumann 1:21:45

dude. Fargo's William H. Macy. gives me the willies man gives me what is the willies? William H Macy shoots that chick in Boogie Nights. She's his wife. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 1:21:57

I can still in about I guess it was Parker. Morrow. I was like, Hey, have you not seen Boogie Nights? You gotta go fucking watch this movie. Yeah, that right there. The I guess cinematography of that movie is so great.

John Baumann 1:22:11

Which movie Boogie Nights Oh, yeah. Just like them going into these long shots. Yeah, one of my favorite but when film shot, Macy goes,

Unknown Speaker 1:22:21

sees his wife kiss you really wanna kiss you. closes the door. walks back out. goes to the car gets the gun. Yeah. walks back in shooter. Yep, that was that's a great yeah, I've

John Baumann 1:22:32

seen that was like right when Philip Seymour Hoffman was trying to kiss Walberg Yeah, Derek Yeah. What was fucking stupid? Yeah, what was gotse rise named like chess Rockwell Chester.

Thomas Mooney 1:22:47

I can't remember what I love though, is like they won that movie. Jhansi rally and Walberg they. It's this is one of those underrated things where you have to act bad. Yeah. Like that's how good of an actor. Both of them are. Where they're like they acted so well throughout the movie. And then they acted bad for like, they're good. They're good. They're acting scenes. Yeah. And like Wahlberg was such a bad singer too.

John Baumann 1:23:16

Yeah, like that's. I've tried to think of what that song is. Which one like the big song that they Yeah. Plays her out.

Yeah, well know what the song is that they're doing in the studio?

Thomas Mooney 1:23:27

Oh, yeah. I don't know. I thought you were talking about the like the song they kept on playing throughout the song I'm talking about Yeah,

John Baumann 1:23:37

but I'm also thinking about movies. I'm thinking about that scene where Heather Graham's on the roller skates. Like I got a new pair of rollerskates you got a brand new key. Yeah, yeah. What's that? What's that song called? Is it just called like key? Something like that? brand might be called roller skates. I don't know. I need to go back on that soundtrack. recipes Philip Seymour Hoffman I kill you. That guy's dead. Ya know? What the fuck?

Thomas Mooney 1:23:57

Have you heard that conspiracy theory by Scientologists. They went after him. Made it made it look like a suicide because he did the master. Dude, I don't really believe that. But like,

John Baumann 1:24:11

Did you watch that Scientology movie on HBO going clear. Oh, fuck, man. That was awesome. But that shit freaked me out. Yeah. Have you any Scientologists out there? I don't like you. Or your religion. Have you

Thomas Mooney 1:24:23

ever? Like when you find out somebody who is a Scientologist? You just kind of go I've never met one. Well, I've never met one and a half either. But I mean like, like back is back scientologist Yeah. Did I just ruin back for you?

John Baumann 1:24:37

Not really, because like, he produced dwight yoakam, his record and like I respect back but just like what the fuck, man that the whole thing's a pyramid scheme. Yeah, it's just like, How can you be so dumb but whatever, man, it's your money. It's your life. I like conspiracy theories. Every now and then man like yeah, who knows? The master. Hey, crushed it, man. Yeah, awesome. Scientology's weird fucking thing.

Thomas Mooney 1:24:59

Yeah. There's been so many people quitting Scientology, like a lot of like famous people now. Yeah. What's her face?

John Baumann 1:25:06

Kelly Preston? Yeah, I was gonna say Travolta's Travolta done with it.

Thomas Mooney 1:25:10

I don't know if he is or not.

John Baumann 1:25:12

I'm just waiting for Tom Cruise but I thought

Thomas Mooney 1:25:15

he was going to I thought he was too. I thought he was with a Watson. We're not Kay kitty Holmes. Yeah, yeah.

John Baumann 1:25:28

Yeah it's weird. It's weird. Gong Gong clear freaked me out and I don't get it like right in in Austin where I live. There's a big church of scientology right there on the drag next to UT. And man it's just so strange.

Thomas Mooney 1:25:42

Yeah, so strange. You know who is also in the Scientology for a while. is Leonard Cohen. Weird. Yeah. Like weird. He never like became a Scientologist but like, I know he was checking that shit out. Back when it was first starting out.

John Baumann 1:25:56

The reason I liked that Philip Seymour Hoffman conspiracy is because that dude just doesn't strike me as a as like a mega mega druggie.

Thomas Mooney 1:26:03

Yeah. Well, he was a druggie was he? Yeah, but like he apparently had been like, sober or clean

John Baumann 1:26:10

forever. Him and Charlie Wilson's war. Yeah, he was fucking awesome. Gus. Like he was a great class name. He was awesome. He's every movie he's been in. This has been fucking I'm an American spy. God. I don't know what it says. It's incredible. He's a

Thomas Mooney 1:26:26

Magnolia. I never saw it. Never seen Magnolia. It's, uh, it kind of gets weird. But like he's in it. And like,

John Baumann 1:26:33

it's big cages movie. No.

Thomas Mooney 1:26:35

Tom Cruise's? Jhansi Riley? Yeah. It's really good. But yeah,

John Baumann 1:26:45

every movie that Philip Seymour Hoffman is in he steals the show, I think.

Thomas Mooney 1:26:49

An Almost Famous. Yeah, he's got such a short amount of time on like, screen time and Almost Famous. Yeah. But he's like the dude who like everyone always talks about.

John Baumann 1:27:00

Yeah, he's like the leverage of Rolling Stone, right? Yeah. I think it's like Charlie Wilson's war, I think of like the toski. Like, just these little rolls. That's my favorite kind of, rather than being in a guy. Like just crushing it in these like, like, you know, supporting roles.

Thomas Mooney 1:27:16

He's in seclusion on the West Wing.

John Baumann 1:27:19

Yeah. That's awesome. That's so awesome. The way he opens those doors, yeah. fucking

Thomas Mooney 1:27:27

nice isolation. I don't know. Yeah, Big Lebowski is a great movie. Man of the times. Yeah. What I love about that was like he's talking about like him just being the man of the times. And like, what it is is like, he's checking the half and half. Yeah. And then like he's writing a check for like, $1 or something. Yeah. Back when you had to write checks? Yeah. Yeah,

John Baumann 1:27:48

I write checks every week. Do you? My band? I hate it. I wish they would work for free. Did it make Google? We don't have direct deposit in this operation. Okay, yet? Maybe someday? One of these days.

Thomas Mooney 1:28:01

But uh, yeah. Cowen's sports.

John Baumann 1:28:07

We ran the gamut. Yeah, this this. This podcast was not for music listeners.

Thomas Mooney 1:28:11

Yeah. Well, we talked a little bit about some stuff. Yeah. We talked a little bit about some stuff. Yeah. What are you gonna play Dairy Queen? Tonight?

John Baumann 1:28:19

Yeah, we'll kick the show off with a dairy queen song. I think we did it last night. And it was a real big hit. It's like nice, because it's kind of like, um, you know, the more I play on stage, the more like I kind of understand like, the, the dynamic between like being on stage in the crowd. And like, if there's fucking 12 people, they're like, how to deal with that. Versus like, if there's 1200 there. Just every every shows can be different. But yeah, we sang the Dairy Queen thing like three times last night to kick the night off, and it was like, Alright, we're gonna have for you were you were in San Angelo. Last night. We're Blaine's pub. And every time I think of San Angelo, I think of jacking room. The new record and yeah, did you like Jack's new record? I do man. I haven't really listened to the whole thing. I let's do a whole thing through like twice. But I'm obsessed with all motel and I'm obsessed with the with the blind song. Yeah, I just deployed songs fantastic. It's well produced he had killer killer killer musicians on there. That was a cool, cool project.

Thomas Mooney 1:29:11

Yeah, I thought I think there's some some good songs out there. Yeah, but I think overall I'm like it's kind of like dad country or something. Or like trying to make like a guy Clark record. And it kind of I think overall it's a little boring.

John Baumann 1:29:28

I'm a I'm a sucker omoto

Thomas Mooney 1:29:32

like I said, like the the there's a couple songs on there that I think are really cool. I

John Baumann 1:29:36

think he's got another one coming too. I'm not 100% sure. But I think he recorded two albums. And I think there'll be another one coming maybe sometime next year. Might be I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen but I like Charlie

Thomas Mooney 1:29:48

Charlie Sexton played on the record.

John Baumann 1:29:50

I think he did. Yeah, I just you know, I don't I don't like it when guys go seven years between records a lot of times like McMurtry or jack just like, but at the same time You know, yeah, if you're if you're if you're making money and that's great, like mercury always says he's like, I only make records when it's like the shows are getting lighter or the money's not coming in as much and

Thomas Mooney 1:30:11

yeah. Yeah. Like Mercury is a hell of a sauna grad Oh, he's the best when I was in school. And I interviewed him one time he was playing camera. And it was like, camera with him. I can't hear who that person was. But it was like him. Robert rocchi. Yeah. And that other guy, and I'd done a interview with mercury. Like, on the phone. Yeah. And I was like, I was he was really cool. He was like, obviously, he's not like fucking just talking about everything. Yeah. Not necessarily calculated questions, but you know, short. Yeah. But I was like, Hey, can we talk after or before the show or something like that? To get a couple quotes for like the the review of the show. And he's like, yeah, sure, blah, blah. So I had his number and all that good stuff and column. And like we're at the amphitheatre behind backstage like in the dressing room area. We go and sit down. Go talk like out in, I guess. Have you ever been at the gate? Like all those steps, like outside those wooden steps? And anyways, he asked me if I wanted to wine so I was like, Yeah, sure.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:22

And then like a lot smaller,

John Baumann 1:31:23

right? We

Thomas Mooney 1:31:24

fuckin start doing this interview. And about halfway through like, I fuckin accidently knocked my glass over my head. It wasn't like a real glass, but it was like,

John Baumann 1:31:33

Yes, build all this. Okay, this is good. And then I was like, a fucking idiot.

Thomas Mooney 1:31:39

I guess those are all the questions. You probably fucking think I'm a moron now. I'm sorry.

John Baumann 1:31:44

Yeah, those are those are really tough moments. Like I was on Wade's bus a couple weeks ago, we'd written on Tuesday. And then he invited me up to ride some more go to pick him for preemies and like I was making a cocktail. And the whole time I was just like, please don't fucking spill this drink. Please don't fuck. I didn't. But it's just those are those moments that you're just like, I'm I'm red as a tomato right now. I feel like a dumb ass. Yeah. Oh, wait. We could get he's great man. He's He's really probably my, like, my favorite guy in this in this kind of the Texas scene. That's he's given me a lot of good advice over the last few weeks and just yeah, respect the hell out of the songs he's written in the songs he's chosen to record. Yeah. So yeah, I think so to be played over here. Street party. Oh, yeah. I heard about all the drama across the street with the sound and all that. Yeah. That's bullshit. Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 1:32:38

what glue says is right next door. Which speaking of glue says I saw a tweet last night. That was like they misspoke. Who says what it was like cusos was lit last night. Yeah, it didn't say last night, but it was about last night. And I was just like, shaking my head. Whatever. If you want to insert

John Baumann 1:32:59

Do you not like it's lit? Now? I

Thomas Mooney 1:33:01

just think it was like, No, I don't have a problem with lit. I was like, I have a problem with cusos being lit. Or like being considered lit. That's the problem. Yeah, but whatever.

John Baumann 1:33:14

Now woodsman, and Hell yeah. Big Springsteen fan. Yeah, he is. I think his kid's name is Bruce. Yeah, whatever the kid's name is Bruce Springsteen's the shit, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Thomas Mooney 1:33:27

I guess when we did we talked on a podcast in book we talked about the Springsteen thing. He took his son to go see Springsteen. Yeah, he said, like, you know, his, you know, Springsteen plays these long Yeah, shows he said his son, like, didn't ask to go use a restroom. Go get something he wasn't tired. He was like locked on lockdown for like, three hours or whatever. That's, that's impressive to keep the kids attention.

John Baumann 1:33:51

It's very impressive. And I think I think the oldest boys like sixth grade or something like that, but it's gonna be really interesting to see like, Drew Kennedy's kid, Wade's kids what Wilkins kid like, when these kids grow up? Like what are they going to become songwriters like their parents. And it'll be cool, you know, 20 years from now to be like, some of us guys here will be like elder statesman, which is a weird thing to think about for those of us who are still doing it. Yeah. And then like, be like, Oh my God, your dad was my hero. Like, because it's just funny to think about. Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 1:34:25

I always wonder about. I was talking with Charlie shafter about this is like, I want to see Oh, I wonder what kind of records everyone's gonna be making in like 20 years. If they're making records. Yeah, like how do you

John Baumann 1:34:38

or who's still in the game as well? I wonder too, because like the attrition in this is crazy.

Thomas Mooney 1:34:43

Like how do you evolve into a certain kind of songwriter because I feel like like the old man record, it's very difficult to do. Well, like how do you

John Baumann 1:34:55

like later in life you mean?

Thomas Mooney 1:34:56

Yeah, like Coen Leonard going like, Willie Nelson Merle Haggard How did they adjust to, like guy Clark? fit in? Right? Yeah. Well, there's been like the old man record. But like, you know, I'm trying to think of someone who's done really bad. Like, okay, like Johnny Cash. Amazing stuff right there, right? But then how do you? How are you, Kevin valor making like an old man record?

Unknown Speaker 1:35:24

Do you mean?

Thomas Mooney 1:35:25

Are you just still doing the same thing?

John Baumann 1:35:27

I think a lot of it comes down to much I never really thought about because I'm not into this at all. But choosing, choosing the songs that you record and not so much writing them. Or if you are writing, you're writing them with somebody who's younger, who's a little hipper, who's a little got some Mojo going as a writer. Yeah. But I think it's a tough thing. And maybe that's why McMurtry and jack Ingram have gone five and six, seven years between records. But I used to say, I don't know. Yeah, I think it's gonna be interesting to see, it's gonna be really interesting. Um, you know, this is a tough business. There's really not a whole lot of business in this business, especially for the guys are starting out and climbing, trying to trying to claw their way through it. There's a lot of highs and a lot of lows. But it'll be interesting to see, like, just two years from now, who's still in the game, who's new to the game? Who's out? Yeah, who's getting worn who's jaded. It's just it's very, very, very interesting and kind of callous thing. But yeah, you know, like dolly shot and that's a good example. Like it's just, you know, strange bands, kicking ass and just fighting the good fight, record out and put a record out and play time with management, or change management or whatever. It's just strange. But you know, that's the like, his girl says, a lot of work. No one retires you can always come back. Yeah, or might become exactly again zachman genband, or whatever, you know, it's just interesting. Now we'll see I think everybody has moments of I don't know if I want to do this shit anymore. Yeah,

Thomas Mooney 1:36:54

I don't like talking with cleddau He's always kind of had these moments of where like, you'd enter the songwriter competition and like not move on to the finals or like, not move like not win or something like that. And like just kind of be done. Wait like six months? Yeah, I'm just gonna be like, I don't want to fucking play no more. I'm not good enough to even do this.

John Baumann 1:37:17

competitions are a bitch. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like

Thomas Mooney 1:37:21

you know, just having like a little bit of deflating feeling or like having like a bad show. Oh, man. It's It's like we're No one's here or something like that. It's

John Baumann 1:37:29

it's tough man. I went on the radio and on the ranch did like a morning like a morning show thing like hadn't warned up my voice and just was coming in hot kind of hung over just like hot mess. Yeah. And like Eric Willis isn't there in this cat Christian Lopez in both those boys have beautiful, beautiful voices not mean they're all scraggly, like, pitch you fuckin rubber okene want to be like, yeah, it was just rough. And it's one of the moments was like, I don't know if I can do this shit. But you know, you play a great show that night and you get over it, but it's just it's a weird, you got to have thick skin and you got to be patient and some guys rise faster than others. It's just just interesting. Yeah. Well, maybe we get something to drink. Let's do it.

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