015: Chris King
On Episode 15, I'm joined by singer-songwriter Chris King. We talk about his latest album, Animal, Texas music, the warping definitions of Americana, and '80s legends Rodney Crowell and Bruce Springsteen.
Interview Transcript
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Thomas Mooney 0:00
Hey everyone, welcome to Episode 15 of the new slang podcast. I'm Thomas Mooney, the editor in chief of Newsline here in Lubbock. And On this episode, we sit down and talk with singer songwriter Chris King. I guess he was over here in Lubbock, I don't know, like three or four months, three, four weeks ago.
I don't know I said months, three or four weeks back. He played a Sunday with mayo and Broussard, it was a really, really bad ass show. Yeah, anyways, in this interview, we sat down over at Toms while it was closed, right next to the blue light and you're just talking about music and stuff. So yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, if you haven't like told your friends to subscribe to the new slang podcast, it would be nice if you did you just went ahead and share that with everyone. If you haven't, I guess like rated or, you know, wrote a review of the new slang podcast. It would be nice if you did. That really helps us out. And yeah, we've got a whole lot of really cool podcasts coming up. We've got one with William Clark green Josh Abbott and Charlie shaeffer coming out. One with eating birds. Yeah, one with Zack. Zack mcguane of dollar shine a few others in the works. So yeah, we've got a lot of cool stuff coming up. So yeah, this episode of the the newslink podcast is being sponsored by the blue light. This week they have I was telling if you were listening last week I was telling you how this week of shows is probably pound for pound for pound like the the best week of shows all summer. Tonight, which would be Tuesday. If you're listening to it is going to be Carrie Sweeney, Wade parks and Charlie stout, which this is part of Brandon's Bryan Adams Lubbock legends showcase that he's put together where it's like a you know some luck legends playing once a month, hopefully, it'll carry on and be like a month leached tradition. So anyways, this this Tuesday is going to be Carrie Sweeney and Wade parks who are two of my favorite Lubbock songwriters. And then Charlie stouts gonna be opening the show as well. Who Yeah, Charlie's one of my favorite loving songwriters as well. So we're actually going to be doing a podcast with Carrie and Wade, talking about I guess like 90s Lubbock music and that transition into what what we have today. And then Wednesday is going to be vaden Todd Lewis, who you may just otherwise know as the lead singer of the toadies. It's gonna be an acoustic unplugged show. So kind of like where that Ben Nichols show was, I guess last month where he was playing loose arrow shot loose arrows songs. Todd lewis is going to be doing the same thing with toadies just unplugged. And then on Thursday is going to be Velcro fly, which I've not actually heard the band. But if it's anything like that ZZ Top song by the name by the same name, which I'm assuming that's where they got their name. It's gonna be a really cool, you know, blues rock kind of show. I'm just speculating. Really. Friday is gonna be Kirk Thurman. And Nick. Nick knows, Nick knows. I'm not really sure if I'm pronouncing that right. I've listened to some of their music. Nick knows, and they're kind of like this. I don't know. Like they say there's some bluegrass influence. There is a little bit but it's more like hard rock kind of with some bluegrass tinge. There's some really cool fiddle parts in it. And then Kirk Thurmond, he's like this Dallas guy who is kind of like this mix of r&b and pop and soul and singer, singer songwriter. Yeah, I'm really interested in seeing those two shows on Friday. And then Saturday is going to be the Wade bone street show Party, which is going to be Wade Bowen, Sean McConnell, Grady Spencer, and the work and hunter Hutchison. Yeah, it's gonna be Saturday. So it's going to be out in front of the blue light, just like any kind of street show. So you'll want to be sure to make that show. And then on Sunday, out on the back patio is going to be flatland. Calvary, and Caitlin butts. So yeah, you'll probably want to just come to the blue light all week and see all these
interesting singer songwriters and musicians. And what's really cool about this week is that it's not all the same kind of music. It's not all just, quote unquote, Texas country, or rock and roll Or singer songwriter, or just straight loving music or anything like that this is this really cool variation. Okay, so four waves show, the big massive street show. And for Todd lewis's show, you can go to the blue light live.com and buy presale tickets. That's where you can also check out like, I guess, like feature shows as well. But go in and buy your presale tickets if you can. The Todd Lewis show. Online, I guess it says, Yeah, they're like $20. And then for the street show is going to be if you're 21 and up, Bill, it'll be $25. And then if you're under 21, it will be $30. So, yeah, go to again, the blue light live.com Yeah, anyways, we'll go ahead and get on to this interview conversation with Chris King. Yeah, thanks for subscribing and listening. So anyways, yeah. What do you want to start? Oh, man, whatever new. Alright, so I guess we're sitting here in, in Tom's on a Sunday. Tom's Daiquiri. Yeah. Have you ever had a Daiquiri here? No, I
Chris King 6:24
haven't. I I'm in the summer of tropical drinks, though. Oh, yeah. So far this summer. So I was looking forward to but to close.
Thomas Mooney 6:34
Yeah. bonds. Bummer. Yeah. If you do get one getting ammirato emarat. Oh, yeah. Always a tasty treat. Yeah, I don't know. Now. You're just making me wish I wasn't drinking his beer. Yeah, well. So you cut your thumb yesterday.
Chris King 6:53
Yeah, we bought. We played it. railroad blues and Alpine. And we bought some beer before we went back to the venue and took it to the hotel. And so there's a train that runs right behind there. Behind the hotel we were staying at I forget what it's called the Highland something pilot motel or the Holiday Inn. And we just went down there railroad tracks and we're drinking all of the beer. And I went open one of them and then cut my thumb wide open. And I didn't realize it. I was holding that cold beer. And we were talking and about 10 minutes later my look down in my hand was completely covered in blood and I had to get some some bandages and take care of it. But yeah, good now. Sound checking in. I kind of opened it back up. Yeah, I thought it was gonna be fun. And then my pixel slippery. I thought no, that's not. That's not fun at all.
Thomas Mooney 7:48
Yeah, I've been down to the app on you in a while. Yeah. I take that back. I went camping the other day, like six months ago, but down there. Yeah. And for Davis. Yeah, I was hanging around Alpine a little bit. But
Chris King 8:03
yeah. Me and my fiance have gone down there. I guess we just went once. I think we stayed out there at the, at the Holland hotel. And we going down there to Marfa too, but it's uh, yeah, it's so impressive to me. Like, you know, I've been to like the Rocky Mountains, the Appalachian Mountains and stuff. And it's like, when you're in the mountains and you're not at the top, you're just kind of in these walls. You know, you can't really get a full scope of until you're, you know, way up way up. But out there I like it because it's like nothing, nothing nothing. then bam. You know, quote unquote mountains you know? Yeah, nothing, nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing that to me. That's like more. I don't know. breathtaking I guess yeah, for lack of a better word. Yeah. I've been meaning to get down there to check out like the music festival they have down there the Big Bend Yeah, we met we met the the people that helped put that on last night. And they're my Bruce are and playing with the night they're playing. They're playing that.
Thomas Mooney 9:09
I've heard mixed results on I guess how cool it is. Yeah, I have no idea. I mean, I have no idea. One of the things I heard is that I guess like in theory, it's it's cool to have shows going on in Alpine in Marfa, everywhere. I think there's even they even had something like for Davis and in marathon and stuff like that. And in theory, that's all cool. Right? But then you know, those times are all 20 minutes away, but it doesn't work is awesome is like it? Well,
Chris King 9:43
I mean, I think anytime we I was talking to the guy playing bass with me tonight. His name's Daniel Thomas Phipps. He's a singer songwriter, too. But he he was talking about you know that he went he played some festival in New Braunfels. I think it was the first one. They did it. I think they call it river fest or something. But he said that that's kind of the thing. There was like a whole festival for the town, but like, multi venue thing. And it's like, well, that's great. But then in a plus it's New Braunfels. And there's the river and all of that. And so everybody's drinking in this kind of like, becomes problematic. Like, how do we get all these people like tuned from without being arrested? Which it's bad there. So so he said they had shuttles set up, and that was Yeah,
Thomas Mooney 10:30
I think they have they have shuttles set up in Alpine Marfa for that. But I mean, like I said, I've never been there. Yeah, I've heard for the future. I want to go I want to go see and check it out. So you should go this year. Yeah, I think like, I think something like that could work here. Yeah. The I guess what what are these microphones? Like? Yeah. I guess like the like the south by setup, right. You know, not like the your typical out in the field. Even though there's a fucking shit ton of cotton fields here. And I don't know why nobody saw that. Just doesn't say hey, it's just what what Phil, do you not? Are you not using this year? Right? In the summertime or whatever? Yeah. And like, Can we fucking get a couple of months to stages and Yeah, that'd be cool. an acoustic tent. Maybe he got it. You got another task now? New slang fest? Yeah.
Chris King 11:25
I'm guessing but I guess I'm guessing that's from your shins fan? Oh, yeah. That, like the way it sounded. Both of Yeah, I
Thomas Mooney 11:33
was in school and I long story short, I had like a little I guess. It's not necessarily a column but it was just like a it was a article where it was, you know, 300 words of just Hey, this is the shit you should be checking for the for the school. Yeah. And it was just called New slang cool. Because obviously, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in I was really into them. Yeah, for a long time. I was into the shins as well. I mean, oh, inverted world, I guess that's the one with new slang and caring is creepy. And I mean, that it's the records great.
Chris King 12:12
I came to all of that stuff kind of at once all of I guess what would be Indian music, you know, I was in college. Like, right out of high school going into college. Because before that, it's like all on. I mean, all I knew. And I've said this, plenty of times to plenty of people. But all I knew was like, what was on the radio as country music at the time, which was in the 90s, in the late 80s, in the 90s. And then what was on am radio out where we lived out there, you could pick up a station out of San Antonio called kk YX. And, and it was all 50s 60s 70s country, which now in now, it's like, they've changed it used to have a callsign, you know, or whatever, not a callsign. But they used to have like a little tag thing that was like, country from the 60s 70s 80s artists 50s 60s and 70s. And last time, I heard it, it said the 60s 70s and 80s. Which is fine. That's still Yeah, awesome. But I'm wondering like, Am I gonna be 50 years old and not be able to listen to that station? Because that's, that's been in 10 years. So 10 more years? It'll be 70s 80s 90s. In 10 more years, it'll be Yeah, he's 90s. ot. And yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's a terrifying thought for me. Yeah, that's.
Thomas Mooney 13:36
Do you have XM radio? No. They had that one station, where it's just like 80s and 90s. Yeah. I can think of what it's called. But it's, yeah. If, if XM was able to sell just certain radio stations, like if you just good, like, get five, I would get that one and classical vinyl? Yeah, like, just, we have it at the store. I work at the XM Radio thing. Yeah. But I honestly, like, so many. So many people are bitching about, like that kind of stuff in cable, you know, like, oh, why do I have to have like all these other channels, right? And with XML, like, Why do I have to have all these other channels? I understand overall, slowly,
Chris King 14:17
I think that Apple TV, and I don't know, whatever other people have, I mean, Roku or whatever those other things are, I think that's gonna change all of that completely. I think eventually, it's like, every channel is going to be an app. Yeah. And then you pay for them as you would subscribe to iTunes or something like that, which is great. I mean, I don't know how much I don't know how they figured out how to charge that or like how they, like handle their advertising or with that going, because it's all that math is too much for me. Yeah, but um, I think Yeah, I would have like 10 TV stations top. I mean, we don't have I haven't had cable television and 12 years probably, but I have I just, there was a time where I didn't have I didn't even have like, the, the whatever the digital converter thing you put that's an antenna, you know? Yeah, I just got that. Two years. Yeah. Cuz I all I did was use Netflix.
Thomas Mooney 15:17
Yeah, Netflix and now what's great is like just HBO prime country that's a prime prime country. And it was it was the prime and yeah, I guess I would take prime country if you had like 1010 channels you could choose I would say like prime country those three in a row like prime country Willie's place? Yeah at the outlaw country. There's one station. I can't think of what it is. It's 35 though. It's kind of like indie rock stuff. Oh, cool. Yeah. Which is weird, too, because I used to just listen to what people would call indie music, right? indie rock and listening now on that station. I'm like, I don't know any of these bands. What's happened? Your own goes on gun. Oh, yeah. Everyone, I checked Pitchfork every day to Yeah, and I'll see reviews. And I'm like, oh, who's like I've never heard of these bands. Yeah.
Chris King 16:15
Pitchfork put out their thing at the end of the year. Or, I guess
Thomas Mooney 16:20
it was the end of the year, like their best stuff, kind of
Chris King 16:22
Yeah, it's like a 50. Like a list of 15. Maybe it was 25. I don't know. But I knew like four things in it. It's just because those four things were kind of in the realm of what I was listening to that year. Anyway. But so I made it a point. for about a week. I it takes me like 20 minutes to get to work. And it takes me like an hour to get back. So I made it a point to like, listen to some of the like, every one of them. Yeah, some of it. Not the whole album, probably but at least you know, three or four songs on it. And I mean, yeah, there's 90% of it. I have any idea. Yeah, there's great stuff. Like
Thomas Mooney 16:57
Yeah, it's
Chris King 16:58
that's how I learned about Courtney Barnett. Listen to her stuff. Yeah. Cool. It's kind of reminds me of a kind of a more polished, like Nirvana type thing. a three piece and it's, it's,
Thomas Mooney 17:14
yeah, she's just blown up. Dude. It's so far as. Yeah. Yeah, I think her record really good. I think. Probably my favorite record of the last 10 years of the Yeah, 10 years has been that war on drugs record. Yeah. Awesome. The dream? Yeah, I think that's great. The first time I heard it, I said, Man, this is, this is gonna be I knew it was gonna be one of my favorite records from that point.
Chris King 17:42
That in the Tame Impala one I like the newest one, the current record with all the sense stuff on it and all Yeah, although like it's super pot likes. Super like, we call that like sugar pop, like really poppy hooks and like, but it's so good. And the production? It's amazing. Yeah. What have you heard that you like, a lot this year?
Thomas Mooney 18:06
This year? But surgical record? Yeah. I've not listened to it as of late. Right. I don't know if that's just because I don't know what it is. I think like that record is a it's gonna take people time to write digest. Yeah.
Chris King 18:25
But I when I listened to that, I first go ahead. And when I listened to that record, the first thing I didn't like was the that Nirvana cover in it. And it really like it really bothered bothered me, it stood out like a sore. Like, I felt the same way when I listened to southeastern. And there's that that that super eight yell song like it just for a long time. I'm just like, I can't like it's so out of place to me. But the surgical record now that I've listened to several times, I'm like, I get it, like, you know, and what it's and what the record is about and all of that stuff. Like I get it.
Thomas Mooney 19:02
Yeah. Yeah. When it first came out, I probably listened to it, like 10 times that week or whatever. Yeah. And I guess like when you do that, you can, obviously you're going to get the record sooner. You know, reading, if you listen to it, like 10 times in a row that first day or something, whatever, you're going to get it probably better than if you listen to it 10 times over 10 weeks, right? You get them saying hey, I
Chris King 19:34
also think that you listened to something a lot like right away, then you're you form this opinion on it, that, that if you listen to it a lot, you form this opinion on it. That's almost like concrete. That's what you think about it. Yeah. Whereas I feel like if I listen to stuff less when it's new, and I kind of let it sit a little more than I my my perception of it shifts More like I love it now and I'll hate it another time and it just kind of goes back and forth.
Thomas Mooney 20:05
Yeah. Another record I think like, I don't know if anyone really liked it or not necessarily didn't like it, but they didn't like it as much as as his other stuff. But the new Hayes Carl's record. Yeah, he's Carl's record. What does that lovers lovers and leaves or something like that? Yeah, lovers. Because there's not too much stomping holiday. Yeah, there's nothing. That's real fast. Yeah, very Yeah. No K, mag, yo, yo, right thing. But I think that record is a great record and
Chris King 20:45
a good vibe. And it's, I think it's, I think it's awesome. Whenever anyone is it's probably easy. I'm gonna, I'm gonna just speculate out of my zone. But um, I would imagine it's easy, where we're Hayes could probably write, you know, another K mag record or another. Whatever the one before it was. He could probably do that. You know, I think it's more interesting is someone who's consuming it, to hear someone do something a little different, you know, and not just like, cool. This is another of that. Yeah. And I find myself those. There's people that do that. And it's the same, you know, all the time, and it's good, and I like it. But I find myself listening to that less than when someone's doing like, like the Robert Ellis record. Yeah, like that. I think that's probably going to be the best record that came out this year. That's my opinion. But um,
Thomas Mooney 21:46
I've only listened to that a few times. But I thought it was really good. Okay, easy. Song California. Yeah.
Chris King 21:54
So like, if you look at like his first record or not, I don't know. I've never heard his first record. Apparently, it's hard to find, but the photographs record, and then the cable record, which I thought that was wonderful. But then like, this is even more different than that. And, and I think it's cool to have that happening.
Thomas Mooney 22:13
Yeah. One of the things I think, okay, I'm always talking about how, when you're 35, you can't be singing songs about you know, yeah, partying, right in college. And it'd be hypocritical of me to say that in a way that Hayes should just play stomp and holler songs, because in a way, like, they're not the same as a let's go get fucked up at a, on a dirt road or something. But it's also like a younger man's song. Right? And we have to expect that he's grown obviously, right? He's gone through some, you know, some troubles, right?
Chris King 22:58
Like, I mean, like anybody growing or aging or whatever, and it's, it's weird to me to see really grown people talking, like, like singing songs about, like, tubing on the river and being like, stuff. Like it just it's kind of like, I don't know, it's, it's like, I don't know, I don't know what to call that. But it's, it's, it doesn't match up in my brain. And so it's like, doesn't makes no sense. Yeah. To me. But but you can write Yeah, I mean, I think I'm not giving anybody writing lessons, but I think you can write that kind of stuff. Like, so you like take somebody like, Hey, is it that has a song like, like, stomp and holler? I'm just keep saying that. See how many times we count. You can drink? Yeah, but but that, like you it's not a like,
knowledge, though. It's
Thomas Mooney 23:57
not but like, it's a I guess, like, there's those elements of stomping in Hollywood, right, like, kind of the same elements as shit you do as a young younger man. Right? Right. Like, I wouldn't necessarily say something. Like, freshmen, I think as you but it's like, probably like 20 to 23
Chris King 24:17
as you can. Yeah. I'm, I'm turning 33 in September, and I think about this a lot. I think like when you are younger, you're writing a little more like experience based like and then when you're aging, you know, I think you're it's it gets more reflective and more reflective. So you get you can you can sing I think singing those songs is cool. But I also think that writing those kind of songs is cool, but that usually the point of view is shifted. Yeah, to like, I used to do this and non like I'm doing this you know, yeah.
Thomas Mooney 24:52
Which also, I think the
Chris King 24:58
which is cool because everybody that listens to No, I, I was listening to Hayes in route when I got out of college. So I was 2223. And that's what I that's what I was doing, you know, I was doing those same things. And so the people that are similar in age to where they came to that as the artist, as that person ages, so do the people listening, hopefully, yeah. And then it's like, well, that's now we still relate, because you're changing. If you don't ever change, then you're you. It's like, Yeah,
Thomas Mooney 25:34
I saw a tweet from somebody who I won't name. But they said something about how they don't change. And that in that way, or something like that they change. And I thought, that's nice that they don't change. And because they don't change, they are changing. And something like that. And I thought that's the dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard. But you just might not be smart enough to Yeah, to comprehend it. Well, I thought like, the first thing I thought of was the subreddit. I'm 14 and this is deep. Like, like, it's like, basically 14 year old, like, things that 14 year olds think that are like, holy shit, man, this is fucking Yeah, that's the first thing I thought I was like, that's a 14 year old who is full of shit would say,
Chris King 26:22
See, I feel like an old man now because I, I everybody tells me like, I read it like all the time. And like, I get on Reddit, like on my phone or on my computer. I'm like, puck is this like, yeah, find anything? I can't like. I'm like looking through it. I'm like, What is it? Is it a message board? Basically? Yeah. What the fuck? Like, message boards went away. I know. And now that's like, the internet's coming back around.
Thomas Mooney 26:51
Yeah. Well, it's like the replaced What was your What was your aim? What was your aim handle? Oh, man. My aim handle. When I remember my first email address, which I think was probably the same thing was just gonna be like PJ cold, but it was like fucking PJ underscore colpitts underscore double oh seven. Because like, no double Oh, five, I think because that's when I graduated Oh, five. And then at, I don't even know what it was, I guess Hotmail, Hotmail, something like that. I still see people, which now I think though, like, my whole point on that was like, man, giving that email address out. So hard to underscore that, you know,
Chris King 27:41
if people would like, something will come across, like I get it. Hopefully no one listens to this that has this. But like, I'll get an email like from someone like through my website, you know, and their, their email address will be like Hotmail. And I'm like, What? Yeah, have you not ever seen Gmail? It's amazing. Yes. And it's awesome. And, you know, yeah. All kinds of other adjectives.
Thomas Mooney 28:02
I remember in, in college, like, one of my professors, he was, it was like, it was a journalism class. And he was like, I know, you guys are attached to whatever email you have. Right? But like, you should invest in one that's just your name, right at gmail, or whatever. Because you don't want to have any he gave off like the example of now actually, there's a girl in the class, who had this email address. I'm sure she doesn't use anymore because it was so embarrassing, but it was like, you don't want to have to give out the address of if you're a journalist, and you're like, Hey, can we do an interview right there? What's your email? Like, hers was like Latina drama queen, right?
Chris King 28:51
You don't want to have to like give that. I'll give. I'll give a little easter egg here. And all of my oil starting with the 1983 record of mine, and animal now, I've got references to this person named Paul. There's a song and each one of these albums and on this, everything new that I'm doing, moving forward, there's always going to be a song on the record that mentions this person, Paul. Well, Paul is actually the best man in my wedding. And his name is Josh but but we were drinking or something one night and talking about like, what our rap names would be if we were a rapper. His name is Joshua Wadsworth, and he said his name would be uncle Paul. And so like now that I've said uncle Paul in a song and just Paul but but He's, uh, we were teachers. When I got out of college, I went and taught. I started teaching school and I was coaching. High School football and track and basketball. For seven years, I did that but I was doing music on the side. like trying to build That some more you know. But anyways, he's still he's a counselor now in Pawnee, Texas. And every once in a while, he'll send me like a screenshot of like some email he's gotten from a parent, a parent of he's a counselor at elementary school, from a parent in their email address will be like, you know, like Foxy mama underscore 69 at Yahoo. And it's like, what?
Thomas Mooney 30:27
Yeah, this kid has no yeah. That's that's the thing. That was the thing that amazes me that they've kept the same email.
Chris King 30:37
Not even that, but they are totally fine with emailing someone in an administrative position of their at their child's school to be like, yeah, my name is boxing Mama 69. Or what I mean, whatever they Yeah,
Thomas Mooney 30:52
yeah. I guess like, it's the same thing with a Twitter handles and Instagram handles. Yeah, a lot of people have. Just like,
Chris King 31:02
yeah, I made mine. What are you doing? Yeah, my Twitter is artificial, Chris. But I did that because at the time, when I I kind of adopted Twitter early on, and then like, a lot of people were just coming Yeah, that's stupid. I've got Facebook Well, fuck y'all. But I did that because everybody I saw their things were like, official so and so. Yeah. Official so and so we're like the real phone so yeah, real soon so so I was like, do something stupid.
Thomas Mooney 31:36
Yeah, Twitter. What? I guess like Twitter's Twitter's more accepted now. As but you still have some people go in. It's near and it's it's near its end? Like I don't know if I it's what it's near its end. Like
Chris King 31:56
Yeah, something's gonna replay i don't know, i something that bothers me about. about all of that stuff is like, it's like Instagram did it too now where it's like they your feeds that order. So it's like, not in chronological order. And Twitter did the same thing. But they gave you an option to the reason Instagram did because they owned by Facebook. Yes. But does it in some, you know, yeah, follow the follow the leader. But Twitter stays chronological. You can or you can turn it back on to chronological order. And, like, to me, that's what the whole point of this stuff is. It's like, if you're going to use the point of social media is to be social and like, engage with people and talk with people. And I can't fucking do that. If I see something come up in my Facebook timeline. And it's from two days ago, when it's like, well, I didn't see it the day it happened. Like what? Yeah, why do I need to see it now? I don't know. That's my social media rant for them.
Thomas Mooney 32:52
Yeah. Well, that's called a timeline for it should be called a timeline for a reason. Right? Exactly. Yeah, I enjoy the good old Twitter debate. Me too. The
Chris King 33:02
thing is, people get so mad. Yeah. I, I like to I bother people. But like, not, not too super seriously. I know. I always think like, I'll talk a big game and like be addicted people and like that kind of stuff. But I really more or less believed like buddies and titled to their own path to some degree, you know, even though some some of those are wrong. Yeah. You see Sutton's opinions wrong.
Thomas Mooney 33:32
I know, I honestly, I agree that some people's opinions are wrong. It's like,
Chris King 33:37
some people get really mad. I have like, I have a belief that and I know plenty of people who agree with me, but they believe there is like, I think that a lot of people believe like, oh, man, just any you know, musics all, you know, subjective and, or not. Yeah, subjective. But I think it's like there's there's things that are bad. Yeah. You know, it's hard to tell like something good from great or whatever. I think there's a lot of play in there. But there are things that are just bad. Yeah. That someone will tell you like, Oh, no, is that's just not your thing. You know, yeah, but it's asinine and dumb. And
Thomas Mooney 34:16
I actually agree with you on this. It makes people listening to it dumber. I think that there are some things that are that should be considered universally great. Right? And that, if you don't like it, that's fine. Like, if you don't like the Beatles, that's fine. But you could argue they don't be great. If you argue that they're horrible. Then I'm like, Well, I don't know if I can take your opinion on anything else. Because you you're just outing yourself as being dumb, you know. And I don't know I think I hate what I hate it and I'm sure it's been this way forever. But now I guess that it's so much easier to get your opinion out there on things. Yeah, that I hate when people or hate certain kinds of music and like wear it as a badge, like, Oh, I hate the Rolling Stones right? And it's like, well, yeah, first off, why, but like, why do you think that's like why do you think that's a cool pain? Like, oh, I fucking hate Kanye West. I'm like, Well, you've probably never even listened to him. And like, that's not a reason. Just because, like, just because it's. He's married to a Kardashian. That's not really like a reason to or be crazy. Yeah, I mean, I think he's a genius, like when it comes to music, but I also say, like, an easy person. If you Yeah, if you to fully enjoy Kanye West, you are you have to buy into the concept that he's playing a game that he's full of shit like, 99% of the time that that he's
Chris King 35:51
Yeah, that he's, well, my, my hot take on that is you can't get to where he is, without being intelligent. And without being someone who isn't just a fucking crack pot, you know? Yeah. He's not an idiot, you know? And that's the thing I always see from people like that guy's such a fucking idiot. Now he's obnoxious. Yeah, that's not he's not an ad. Sometimes.
Thomas Mooney 36:13
I think that his point is, like a brilliant point on on, what are you doing it wrong. But like, the way he articulates it, it's just like, man, just slow down, slow down. Like, just pump the brakes a couple times. And like, take a deep breath and think about what you're trying to say. Yeah, instead of being like, you know, George Bush hates white or black. You know, like that.
Chris King 36:36
Explain that better. Yeah. But I also think that that stuff is publicity. It's like, I'm gonna say these things the way I'm saying them, and that's gonna drive, you know. Yeah. But I saw I saw a tweet the other day, or two days ago or something, somebody said, like, you know, like, so he releases this record, but then he keeps, like updating it doing remixes of something like putting a new song. Yeah. And somebody was like, What if Kanye just started doing that to other people's guy said, like, what kind? He's like, hey, Wilco, I added two more songs. And then Jeff Tweedy, like replied, he was like, I'd be fine with that.
Thomas Mooney 37:16
Yeah. That's, I think that one, like him updating the Life of Pablo. Yeah. Like, in a way, it's like, oh, well, nobody's really ever. Right? Done like a living. Right album. Yeah. And in a way, that's what it's kind of is like, constantly updating. But it's also like, annoying as shit. If you've already have a copy. And you're like, No, I have to
Chris King 37:39
write. Yeah, and I don't know, like, I tried title for a while, because I wanted to listen to that record. And, and, you know, like, how many streaming services do I need? Yeah.
Thomas Mooney 37:50
I just found a way to download it.
Chris King 37:54
Yeah. Well, I know someone sent me that too. And I did. I mean, I did that too. But I don't know. It's, if you don't if you're not using title you can't experience Yeah. Which I wonder if this record is just going to be like, like, in a year from now. It'd be a totally different write different, you know, things just a new it's like an ever changing new thing, which would be amazing. But you know, you gotta have title here. But yeah,
Thomas Mooney 38:22
I don't know. I think my opinion on on the Life of Pablo also is that I don't think it's as good as any of his other stuff. No. And like, he's, I think he's maybe lost a step as far as being a lyricist goes. Yeah. Some of the stuff on like, I think that's just, I think their production on it. And the music production is
Chris King 38:52
the all the all the beats and all of that stuff is amazing. I think that's probably the best stuff he's ever done in regard. But like you're saying, like the lyrics and stuff. Yeah, little, you know,
Thomas Mooney 39:02
they're the weakest part. The weakest link?
Chris King 39:05
Yeah. But I don't know. Like, if that I don't know, I can't decide if that bothers me so much. Because there are moments where it's like, oh, yeah, that's classic. You know, that's, that's what you do? Well, and but then there's other moments where it's like, it sounds like somebody's just trying to figure out a way of doing something else. Trying to explain it sounds like an experiment. Yeah, it's, it's being presented right now as an experiment with the way you keep changing it.
Thomas Mooney 39:36
In saying that, though, I think that two of the songs in particular are probably like top five or top 10 Kanye songs. That's a no more parties in LA. Yeah. What is it 30 hours? Yes. You know that. I think that song is incredible. Yeah. He's talking about going to the driving for like LA to Chicago Yeah. How about and probably like the best. It has like an Arthur Russell sample. That's like the the main core or I guess the chorus line of it is the is this Arthur Russell sample and I don't know if you're familiar with Arthur Russell was like this kind of like outsider music kind of, he was a cello player and like, add some electronic stuff. And he actually has this one record, just all instrumental stuff. Now, some of it was in the middle, but he has this one record that, I guess is more of a compilation. It's called, like, love is overtaking me. And it was released. I guess, either the year he died or the year after, and he died of AIDS. And he This record is like a country record. It's like all acoustic and it's, yeah, you should check it out. Now. It's, it's really good. But the sample i think is like probably the best sample I've heard Kenny use. Yeah, ever. That's cool. But
Chris King 41:07
it's a cool little tidbit that I had no idea about Yeah, I want to go out listen to in my car. Did you listen, there's gonna be like, man, we're talking about Connie, who?
Thomas Mooney 41:20
Maybe that's what I was, like, there's been a couple of conversations where it's like, man, we've got on to something that's probably just, like, lost a whole lot of things.
Chris King 41:33
The I, just, for a long time, you know, I was listening to nothing, but the kind of stuff like the kind of stuff I was making. So it's like, and, and I can't stop it. I can't, I can't put it out. Whatever. I'm listening. I don't know, I haven't really talked to people about this. But I'm curious, you know, other people, writers or whatever. How much they think that the stuff that they're listening to, at the time leaks into what they're making? And for me, it's like, a lot. Yeah. And it's it because every time I hear something that I really like, it's like, I want to know how to, I want to know how to do that. But for my that fits me. How can I work that? Like how can I steal from all these different places, you know? Yeah, and make it into the thing? I do, you know? Yeah. And so like, for a lot for, I don't know, for a year now, probably I've been listening to stuff that I you know, not always listened to?
Thomas Mooney 42:36
Yeah, but well, how much of that? How much do you think that played into the difference in sounding? The difference in the way 1983 sounds and animal sounds a lot because I think because obviously like animals is a darker? Yeah. More, I think more textured. So what good way to put it. Record. Do you think that has to do with what I can see out of it is? I know you talk a whole lot about 80s country. And I think there's some tengiz of that in there. Yeah, well, like the like the like the Rodney crowd kind of country,
Chris King 43:14
right? And to me, that's a huge, unabashedly a huge running crowl fan. I met him at South by three years, or two years ago, I can't remember. But he's playing at this place called arland Studios. They're in Austin. It was like a friend of mine, Ryan Jones invited me and my fiance down there, like, like, texted me like, hey, do you want to see Ronnie crowd? And I was like, Are you fucking you got any stupid questions? Yeah. And so we go down there, and he's playing and I'm like, I'm sitting on the floor, like, like a child watching him. And so he goes, but I came to his music much later than I mean, I've known people that talk about him. Yeah, like his music and, and but I they liked it forever. Like, I came to that stuff way later. Like, you know, within the past five or six years. Yeah. So anyways, he gets up and they're done playing. And I want to go like this go shake his hand or something. So there's, but there's all these people standing and I saw, I was like, fuck it, you know, whatever. So I go sit back down. And then like, Stuart Smith was playing guitar with him that night from the Eagles, like, tapped him on the back and he was like, oh, and then they walked out, you know? I thought, Okay, well, fuck. I'm gonna go smoke a cigarette. So I go outside in the parking lot. And I'm standing kind of wait. There's a bunch of people standing outside around the door. But I kind of went away so I can smoke. And I like my cigarette, and then he just comes walking by with his guitar case. like an idiot. I'm like, Hey, can I talk to you for a second? And he comes walking over he said, Sure. introduce myself to him. And I told him that like, I didn't expect seem like so I didn't know what to say like an idiot. So I'm just telling him I'm like, a huge fan of the way he writes And specifically, the way he writes kind of any Donald think he does it on purpose. It's just what he writes about. But the way he writes about Texas, in ways that like, it's not cliche, like if you listen to a song, like telephone road, or something like that, it's like, like skiing in a bar ditch behind the, you know, it's, it's all very familiar. Yeah, to me, and it's something I understand. And it's something that is not cliche, and it's not fucking stupid. It is not pandering and making Texas like this. I don't know. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and so I was telling him that and he was like, man, I really appreciate that, because a lot of people come up and they'll shake your hand and go, Oh, I like your songs, or I like I really like you. I'm a big fan. He's like, but a lot of people will say why? And I was like, Well, I was like, I write in like, that's, you know, whatever. And he was like, Oh, well, he's like, you got your phone. I said, Yeah, someone give me my email. And if you ever want to, like, send me something, or whatever. And I was like, Are you kidding? He's like, no, sorry. And I as as he's, as I'm typing his email, and he's like, but I'm going to tell you something. He goes, if you send me something, I'm going to be totally honest about what I think about. I'm not gonna Yeah, like, that's just the only way you can do it. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, that that's Yeah, thank God, because nobody fucking else will do that. You can send songs to your friends and shit. And everybody's like, Oh, yeah, that's great. Nobody will be like, Dude, don't do that. Stupid. Or, you know, nobody will. Anyway, yeah, I got like, I got, like, nervous while I was talking to him. And I kinda was like, I'm sorry. I'm just real nervous. And he like, he, like, reached over me, like, patted me on the shoulder. He's like, That's all right, man. Just tell me what you want say. Yeah, but yeah, so that stuff. I was listening to a lot of that. A lot of some Bruce Springsteen stuff,
Thomas Mooney 47:06
all that kind of Yeah, there are those? I guess. I don't think everyone always says that, like Springsteen's dark record is Nebraska, which it is, but like the the synth on tunnel love, tougher than the rest? Yeah, let's see, I was gonna say like, on born in the USA, like, if you look at I'm on fire, yeah. Or I guess I'm on fire is probably the best example. Like, that's like, some darker.
Chris King 47:38
And I and I gravitated towards that because there's a lot of that there's a lot there's less of it in like country music, I guess, to some degree less of the synth type stuff in country music than there is and the rock music of that time, for sure. But I just thought man, that's a that's a really cool element that you don't hear a lot of in in something that
Unknown Speaker 48:02
I don't know,
Chris King 48:03
not American, or Texas country or whatever, just in the circles that I run. Yeah, you know, it's like, you don't hear that a lot as a, as a purely like a textural type thing. It's always beat three, or, you know, some kind of just regular keyboard or something. Yeah, or worldly, or a Rhodes piano type thing. So that's kind of talking to john Silva, the guy that is a producer on everything I've ever done. And I was like, I want to do this, let's do this. Let's do this different sound. And it's darker sounding. And it's the it's a darker lyric, too, because I didn't realize it, but when I wrote when I wrote a 1983 I wrote the songs, I was like, I want them up tempo kind of, you know, groovy. And because I want it to be very, I want it to kind of be palpable. And you know, these are the songs I wrote I didn't write them for that reason, but I want it to be you know, to have a cool like a strong like country, shuffle and strong country walls and like stuff like that you can dance to and I realized afterward all the all of the themes in that record are like hope, like even the songs are like dark. They're like hope and home. So like, all those songs are the underwriting theme of that whole record is like, turned out to be like, even though this song is really fucking sad, like, there's some little glimmer of like, yeah, hope at the end. And I kind of treat like my writing, like, just like, like, there's this person. And so on. 1983 it's kind of all hopeful and everything. I was like, I want to take that person and like, drag them through the gamut of, of emotions that are darker and not as positive and Yeah, kind of stressful and kind of frantic and kind of all of those things that make you nervous or unkind. Easy. Yeah. But so, I mean, I wrote it purposefully like, I want to make this kind of thing. And I will talk about my fiance said, Can you like some happy songs or something like, you know, but she says that because people come up to her and are like, man, like, Is he okay? is like, like, I The songs are real dark like, it's like, you should number one don't fucking ask my fiance that fucking goober number two like it's it's song It's just it's a made up like everything doesn't have to be I didn't have to live through it you know all of that like, right? You only have to know like, why? Yeah, that's I only know a little bit like, ya know right about whatever the fuck I want to and if you don't like that, whatever but it's like I can't wrap my head around people that don't understand that can't separate art from somebody making it like
it's a song.
Thomas Mooney 51:00
Yeah, it's because
Chris King 51:03
I was listening, I guess with Rhett Miller and a guy named Chris shifflett is a guitar player for the Foo Fighters. And he was saying like, he said, they were talking about this exact thing. He said, Well, Chris shifflett said this, he said, well, that the reason for that is like, because people expect everything in music to be genuine. And like, expected to be the truth. And whereas he said, if you were just a writer, like books, yeah, no one would fucking expect that. Yeah.
Thomas Mooney 51:35
I don't know. I think I think people expect any kind of artists to be that tragic and wrong. Right. Right. Exactly. Right. Or anti heroes? Yeah. tortured creator. Yeah. And that's, that's what we've been taught by history, right. Like any sorry, everybody. Everybody's made like, everyone's Townes. Van Zandt, or I can't even any, any of those people. You know, those people. I was trying to think of like somebody else that's in a different format, like a different nose.
Chris King 52:08
Yeah, that's probably the the basis. Yeah, go to but yeah, it's, I don't know. I just think that that's, yeah, narrow minded and not not. But like you said, it's what you're taught to, you know, what you're talking to know and what you're taught to think about it, and it's I don't know, that's interesting, though. People have this like this romanticized idea. And I think there's plenty of people I think there's plenty of musicians and writer songwriters and things that have that have their own accord, like, they feel this like weight to like, and like I get it, I guess, I've just never been that guy. Yeah, I just want to make I just want to try and make cool shit. And, you know, and shape it the way I want it and present it the way I want it. And I don't know.
Thomas Mooney 52:54
Yeah. Ever since like Gary Clark passed away, I've been thinking about how how different really like him in towns where? Oh, yeah. As songwriters. Yeah, we kind of like, throw them in the same all in the same thing. But as far as like them being pillars of what we call a Texas music right there. They kind of represent the opposite kind of polar opposites. Yeah. To Yeah, to a degree. Yeah, totally.
Chris King 53:28
Well, I, I always thought, you know, and I didn't he's somebody else guy. Clark is somebody that I didn't come to till later, I came to it at a point when I was you know, in college, but then I got interested in all kinds of other music that kind of went away from listening to country stuff country ish stuff for a while. And, you know, you cycle back to it and then you know, in the last several years like guy Clark, I mean, I would argue with anyone that he's the best songwriter ever come out of the state. Yeah, some people will say, town's that's fine. Like I get it, but I think it's like, it's, you know, it's not a matter of who's the best it's a matter of that like you got to live in the same time that that person existed on the planet you know? Yeah, insane. I think
Thomas Mooney 54:20
any kind of argument like that is probably just the mean it's just for bar talk obviously like no one's that's where I think like there's no right answer. Right. But if I was gonna argue I would say that the reason guy was better than towns is that towns didn't like towns is that is that number one draft pick who right was a bust right away. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, that totally were guy. Yeah, for I guess he was Tom Brady. Yeah, like, yeah. You know, for For like, 4050 years, he's been writing great songs, you know, non stop. And every record, you could go, Oh, that's it. There's like two or three songs that you go. That's incredible. That's the best thing he's written. Right, in which, you know, towns had a I guess I'm more up and down catalog of songs. And obviously like he didn't have the time.
Yeah, like he. So that, I don't know, that's gonna be my argument. No, yeah,
I think that's in saying that I do kind of think that towns is a better songwriter. That would be more argument. I don't know.
Chris King 55:41
I think it comes. I think his writing probably comes from a more like I'm talking about, like this person that is. And there's not, I would argue with people that there's not a there's not a lot of people like that existing around anywhere. Yeah, that, you know, somebody like him, or I can't think of someone else. But like, maybe Kurt Cobain, but you know, really what his whole deal was, but whereas guy was like someone who could, who seemed to me, I didn't know the guy, but seemed like someone who could, you know, bend and twist a little more with what they were doing and, you know, do something for a specific purpose. And whereas, like, it wasn't just, whatever comes out of me comes out of me. It's like I'm or I'm doing this as work, you know. Yeah. thing. Well, taking it more as a people like to always your craft. Yeah, craft and, well, that's fine. But But I think of guy more like someone like that who is constantly, you know, working.
Thomas Mooney 56:44
Yeah. I can't remember who it was. I was talking to but they were they brought up you know that. That guy built guitars? Yeah. And I, I would imagine that is a very hard, difficult thing to get into. Yeah. First off. Yeah. Yeah. I can't imagine that being the easiest of hobbies to Hey, you know, I'm going to Yeah. So in a way like that, that side of the art
Chris King 57:20
tality of workbench, and building something, you know, it's the same idea for constructing a song.
Thomas Mooney 57:27
Yeah, building a song, which I was talking with Charlie shafter, probably a few weeks back, and we're talking about Bob Dylan. And how, you know, Dylan's that this guy who never really wrote anything that's super personal. Right? Like, never no one really, right. thinks of that until they start going through the songs. And then you go, yeah, I mean, there's nothing here. That's really super personal, except for, like, blood on the tracks and desire and stuff like that. But those are two out of 40. Something records. Exactly. Yeah. I guess like towns? You said Cobain. I think maybe there's probably more guys in the 60s and 70s. Like I was saying, like Jim Morrison in a way. Yeah. Yeah, that would probably but yeah. There's a reason why or I don't know. I guess he technically isn't a songwriter. More of a song stir. But like ramblin jack Elliott. Right. That style. But yeah,
Chris King 58:36
I just don't think that that's a, I mean, it's obviously still a thing. There's people that are like that.
Thomas Mooney 58:43
I think like, every there's probably every song I think I know any every song or like, every album. There's truth in it. Like that. That's a I don't want people to misunderstand that part. Or there's truth in songs, regardless of who's writing them. Right. But yeah, most song,
Chris King 59:04
you're, you're pulling from something, some probably deeply personal story or feeling about something or a memory. And then you're you're, you know, walking through it and someone else's shoes or, you know, in a in a, from a different point of view, or, you know, you're bending it around to be not. I think that's just how I personally think that's, I know, I think it is for me to some degree. I like to take this idea that I have and go oh, I'm gonna write about this experience of someone having this experience. Yeah. You know, whether I had it or didn't have it. I don't need to tell anybody. Yeah, you know, you know, that's, yeah.
Thomas Mooney 59:49
Yeah. Ryan co Well, it's kind of the same way where he's a lot of his songs. I guess he's he's pulling from personal stuff, but he We were talking one time about how some journalists were would ask him about specific people and songs. Yeah, because he's got this one song called the called Red River. And in the song, it's about his aunt and uncle. And like his uncle, who, you know, never really worked, but go down to the Red River and drink and stuff like that. And then she, I guess, divorces him and gets married to another guy. And I guess like, the point was, like, some journalists were asking him, if that was based on a true story, and he's like, it doesn't matter. Like, right, I'm not going to tell you regardless. Because Yeah,
Chris King 1:00:38
because that's, yeah, that's so that's another thing. Like when this record, when I put out animal, these really, these guys did this, somebody did this review of it. And it was they wrote the review as if, like, This album is being presented as a story. They're telling, they're telling the reader what to think about it. And and they're saying, like, Okay, the first song sees the, the narrator doing, like, it's about this, the second song is about and they walk you through the album in that way, like, like, they created in their mind. Yeah, a, a link between all these songs, which there is in theme, but not necessarily in a story. So they take these things, and they say, like, so in third song, this, you know, it's this one's about redemption. And this one's about loss, and this and it winds you through this story, and it ends, you know, however, it ends, I can't remember, you know, but, but I remember talking with someone and saying like that. So, like, I of course, I want people to write, like a review about my record, you know, but it's also like, it's great. And it's like, insanely frustrating, because then, you know, people are gonna read that. And then they're gonna say, Oh, that's what that's about. But like, but I don't want you to, I want you to think about it on your own. Yeah. And it, it means to me that's, like, I never when I play, I don't like tell these long stories about where the song like if I, I play with people all the time, and they have these great stories about, like, where this song came from, and how it you know, and I told him, I told somebody once I'm, if I did that, before my songs, I would go, Hey, this is this is three minutes of something I made up, ready. Here we go. Yeah, like that's, you know, but so I don't know, it's like a weird, a weird, like, push and pool that, you know, you want people to talk about the album, you want people to talk about, you know what they think about it, and you want all that stuff, but you don't want those people like telling people what to think. Even though like that person that wrote that is just talking about what it was to them. Yeah, which is what I want. But it's also what I don't want. And it's like, insanely frustrating.
Thomas Mooney 1:03:00
On this side. I think what it is, as far as like being a journalist, I think what it is, is you I think a lot of journalists want to I guess, they write this article, right, this review or whatever. And then their dream is that gets put out. And then you go to that show or whatever. And whoever was you wrote about comes up to you and goes, That's exactly right. Right. And you're smart, and like, get it more than anyone else you get and you know, you're looking for to be that guy. Right. Which I mean, obviously, that's, I think what you want, right as a journalist, right. And I'm sure I've done that. Yeah, like, I think this is what this is about. And right. Where this is where it came from, Ron probably more. So on that side of like, this, this record came out of like it was influenced by this or, you know, that kind of thing. Which is, I guess another but I think, are you talking about like sound wise and like yeah, and not necessarily even sound wise, but, like, wear that record? Especially up here because yeah, I'm I know so much about the loving music scene. And yeah, the history thanks
Chris King 1:04:23
for not liking asking me a bunch of questions about all that because I yeah, I would stand here. stammer,
Thomas Mooney 1:04:29
but I think like, so much of it up here. What I'm trying to do is place the record as far as like, right, in the timeline. And no, and I think that's I think that's great. Yeah, but like I think like a lot of times the journalists want to just be right or like, right pat on the back right or on the polar opposite and it's like, I need to I need to be finished with this. And I'm just gonna take what was out of the the press release, press release and like put summarize it Yeah. total opposite and
Chris King 1:05:02
I don't remember where I saw this or if it was on Twitter people were talking about it. Maybe you were talking about someone but I think it probably was. It was this like exchange conversation or something. I don't think it was an I don't think I read it like online, magazine or anything, but we're talking about, like, how they think like, you should not be able to like write reviews of records for like a month actually comes out like,
Thomas Mooney 1:05:27
yeah, I've mentioned this. Yeah. You may have heard of, because me and Drew, were talking about it. And yeah, that was that was Yeah, that was it. We were sitting exactly right here. Yeah. But you're probably having a Daiquiri, though, aren't you? No, no daiquiris. But during that podcast was we had the door open because it was hot. Like it was hotter than hell. If people kept kept on coming up, like thinking it was open. And that'd be like, cover the mic and go. No, I'm sorry. We're not open right now. And then get back to it. But that happened, like two or three times in that episode.
Unknown Speaker 1:06:02
But yeah, like I,
Thomas Mooney 1:06:04
to me, like, I don't know how anyone can expect to understand a record, when you get it, like a week before it's released and write a review about how good or great or how average or bad it is. Right and understand it completely. That record plus 10 other records that are coming out that Right, right, right, you know, 500 word or 700 word reviews, and go on to the next thing. Like I don't know how anyone thinks that's a
Chris King 1:06:40
good thing. Yeah. So I say not a good thing. But, uh, when you call it, like, productive way to do that? Yeah. I mean, you're producing something. So you're, you're productive. But yeah, like, it's not like, adding much to the conversation with these.
Thomas Mooney 1:07:00
But at the same time, I I don't know. what's the alternative? Yeah. Because like, nobody wants to put out a record, and then wait for that. An album review? You know?
Chris King 1:07:11
No, no, exactly. But it's like this. And I just like I didn't, I didn't have I didn't think about it at all with this record when I put it out. But I did. Or actually, I didn't think about it at all, the last record I put out because I wouldn't have any expectations. It was my first like, I put I put together two VPS before that first for that first album. And so I didn't have any expectations. I was just like, this is kind of new. So I'm trying to figure out, you know, and, yeah, but this one, it was like, I had a, I had more of an idea of what I wanted this to be and all of this stuff. And I built it in a way that I wanted it, you know, pretty specific. And then it's like, you read something and, you know, or somebody asks you about it and like, are you like, Are you okay, yeah, I can find just, yeah, it's, it's, it's a, you know, it's a piece of art, or it's a piece of this thing I made, I don't like to say are unlikely to be like, I'm an artist. Yeah, like so it's like, whenever I say like, it's this piece of art. I mean, it's like, that's not like a fucking puzzle. It's this thing I made. Yeah. And, you know, take it how you will, but I think it's just that that duel between, like, what? wanting people to talk about and wanting people then not talk about it. And there's no way there's no way around it. It's just me bitching about my own inner workings.
Thomas Mooney 1:08:38
Yeah. I don't know. I think it's a calling everything art is in so many ways is a cop out.
Chris King 1:08:50
You know, to me, it's just like, this bottle of Lone Star Light. I'm holding a museum piece of art. You know, someone someone design? Yeah. No,
Thomas Mooney 1:09:02
no, that was manufactured. Right. Right. Right. And that's what I guess like some people still want to call their stuff art when it's obviously been manufactured, right? Yeah. I don't know. We're running running on an hour here. We'll go grab a beer. Yeah, let's do that. Sounds good.
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